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The Yard Signs Claim, 'Walker Is Working' but The Facts Say 'That's Bull!'

Wisconsin leads the nation in job losses (again), Catholics are pissed at Paul Ryan, and Women are getting screwed by Walker and the GOP (metaphorically, of course).

If your radio dial never leaves 620 or 1130 and your flat screen TV is stuck on Fox "News" then you may not know that Wisconsin is STILL leading the nation in job losses, Catholics are pissed off at Paul Ryan, Scott Walker is handing out free money to his cronies and working women in Wisconsin are taking a brutal beating at the hands of the GOP...

ACTUAL NEWS

JOBS

Between March 2011 - March 2012 Wisconsin has LOST 23,900 jobs while during that same year long time frame, Illinois gained 31,700 job. Don't you find it strange that Walker keeps telling us we are lucky we don't have a Democrat in office or we might end up like Illinois, but the fact is that they are kicking our ass in job creation.

Wisconsin has now LOST 10,200 total jobs since Scott Walker took office, but a new yard sign has hit the turf that states "Walker Is Working". Scott Walker may be "Working" as Governor (for now), but since he has taken office, almost 24,000 Wisconsinites are no longer working. 

At our current pace, Walker will NEVER create 250,000 jobs, but in fact WI will lose over 35,000 jobs before Walker's four years are up...hence, the recall!!!

 http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm

 

ALEC

Thirteen corporations have left ALEC, including big names such as Pepsi, Coke, McDonald's, Intuit, Kraft and Proctor & Gamble. Koch Industries and Walmart refuse to leave (no surprise there). ALEC recently stated they would no longer lobby for social agendas such as "Stand Your Ground" or restrictive Voter ID laws.
Common Cause filed a formal complaint with the IRS stating that ALEC is in violation of it's non-profit, tax-exempt status because it is a lobbyist group. ALEC then responded by stating it is not a lobbyist group. On their website, ALEX boasts having shepherded more than 1,000 bills through state houses last year
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75500.html#ixzz1sxRIojML

State Senator (28th District) Mary Lazich recently paid her ALEC dues with taxpayer $.

 

War On Women

Scott Walker quietly signed Senate Bill 202 that repeals the 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act. The Equal Pay Enforcement Act allowed individuals to plead their cases in the less costly, more accessible state circuit court system, rather than solely in federal court. Walker's reasoning for signing the bill, "In the past, lawyers could clog up the legal system," Walker said.

In reality, NO (not a single one) case has been brought to court under the old law. NO (none) complaints were issued under the old law. Senator Glenn Grothman who authored the law stated that, "Money is more important for men."
"That's bull!" said my wife, who works, spends money and doesn't know I am quoting her.

On average, women earn 77 cents for every dollar that men make nationwide. In Wisconsin, it's 75 cents, according to the Wisconsin Alliance for Women’s Health (WAWH), which also estimates that families in the state "lose more than $4,000 per year due to unequal pay."

Unofficially, my family could use that $4,000 so we could visit Grandma and Grandpa in Florida before, well you know...BP spills more oil in the Gulf swimming becomes a no, no again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/23/scott-walker-wisconsin-equal-pay-repeal_n_1445674.html?ref=elections-2012

 

Catholics

Nearly two dozen leading Catholic nuns filed an Amicus Brief in the Supreme Court stating: "(We) believe that a civilized society must ensure the provision of basic health care to its citizens regardless of their ability to pay for it. (We) further believe it is a moral imperative that all levels of government institute programs that ensure the poor receive such care. (We) believe Medicaid expansion under the Act is critical to the communities (we) serve."

In response, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, which represents a majority of US nuns, is put on notice from the Vatican for promoting "radical feminist themes", like not speaking out against abortion, gay marriage and Obama-care.

Fifty nine Catholic leaders and theologians took issue with Paul Ryan’s budget, signing a scathing letter that claim Ryan's budget proposal "Fails the moral test of his own faith tradition and disregards our nation’s responsibility to care for the most vulnerable...The budget “acts like a schoolyard bully. It kicks those who are already down.”

Paul Ryan had previously said that the "social magisterium" of his Catholic church governed his own ideas.

Personally, I was born and raised Catholic and I don't remember any biblical stories in which Jesus denied or charged anyone for care, or left them to die because they had a pre-existing condition - like being a mortal.

 

Hypocrisy

An analysis of data The Associated Press obtained through an open records request showed Wisconsin agencies have handed out more than $765,000 in bonuses and merit raises this year to nearly 220 high-ranking government employees, most of whom work in appointed positions, some appointed by Walker, himself. The money was awarded under a program former Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle suspended, but Walker reinstated with newly-found funds.

Where did these newly-founds come from? Teachers, of course . . .

After handing out $765,000 in bogus bonuses to cronies, Gov. Scott Walker reshaped a rule to lower inflation-based raises that public unions can negotiate for teachers in public schools and technical colleges. The new "rule" allows school districts to not use a teacher's actual salary, but instead allows a negotiation based only upon the barest "base" salary that is offered for that position.

For example, the base salary for a teacher may be $35,000, but if you have a Master's Degree in Education and have earned an extra 10 credits on top of that, you may earn $50,000. Under the new rule, the teacher with the master's degree would have his or her raise calculated off the $35,000 instead of his or her actual pay.

BTW, teachers are required to continue their college level education at their own out-of-pocket expense in order to maintain a current teaching license in the state of WI. And how do we reimburse or thank them? By taking away their rights and reducing salaries of course. It's the GOP (greedy one percenters) way.

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Tom Barrett May 01, 2012 at 11:40 AM
@keith Don't blame the messenger.
Geoff Tolley May 01, 2012 at 02:32 PM
"How has the price of extraction changed?" ? Take a deep breath, relax, and re-read what I actually wrote rather than what you want to think I did. When I explain "cost of extraction per ton is $Y" and then later in the same explanation say "cost of extraction per ton is $Y", I mean that the cost of extraction hasn't changed. When the price of iron changes (and we know for a fact that it did during the legislative session, significantly), the economics of whether a project is worthwhile can change too. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?
Geoff Tolley May 01, 2012 at 02:33 PM
"<<<<< That's an assertion based upon the statement of a company that has every reason to lie.>>>> That’s one way of dealing with the issue so that all the comments by the politicians and the company don’t have to be addressed. Everyone but you is telling a lie. And you know because you know, because it’s obvious because you know that you know." You know that Gogebic and Wisconsin's legislative leadership were telling the unadulterated truth about Gogebic's motivations for their pullout. Anyone who disagrees (even if they have facts that support an alternative hypothesis) is lying. And you know they were telling the unadulterated truth because you know they were, because it's obvious because you know that you know.
Geoff Tolley May 01, 2012 at 02:33 PM
Anti-Alinsky's claim was that "The failed mining bill from earlier this year is the perfect example [of Walker jobs legislation that was upset by an uncooperative legislature]". If the bill would have led to job creation and Gogebic pulled out substantially because the bill failed, then this claim is accurate. However, we also know for a fact that the economics shifted significantly during the legislative session. Both can equally well explain Gogebic pulling out, so it is impossible to conclude that the mining bill, if passed by the Senate, would have led to any jobs at all. It is not my claim that Gogebic were definitely lying about their motivations; it is my claim that given the change in market conditions it is impossible to conclude that, if the mining bill had passed, there would be any jobs created as a result.
Luke May 01, 2012 at 11:52 PM
@Geoff <<<Take a deep breath, relax, and re-read what I actually wrote rather than what you want to think I did. When I explain "cost of extraction per ton is $Y" and then later in the same explanation say "cost of extraction per ton is $Y", I mean that the cost of extraction hasn't changed.>>> Sorry. Gave you more credit than I should have. Geoff, The mining company has been pursuing the mine in Wisconsin since the Doyle years when the price of iron was half of what it is today. In addition, as I have already mentioned (and you did not address), everyone involved agrees that the Wisconsin location is the most profitable one because the ore is more concentrated. How then does is EVER become more economical to mine elsewhere? How then does it become less economical to mine when the price of iron is dramatically higher then when Doyle is in office and the price of iron was so much lower than it is now? There is no answer. All we have is your imaginary scenario, which is in contradiction to what everyone has said about the topic, including those opposed to the mine.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 12:02 AM
@Geoff <<<<You know that Gogebic and Wisconsin's legislative leadership were telling the unadulterated truth about Gogebic's motivations for their pullout. Anyone who disagrees (even if they have facts that support an alternative hypothesis) is lying. And you know they were telling the unadulterated truth because you know they were, because it's obvious because you know that you know.>>>> I believe both those opposed to the mine and those who were for it. I believe every reporter who wrote for or against the mine. I believe that they spent a heck of a lot of money trying to get the site studied and the bill passed when the price of iron was much lower than it is today. I believe every politician in the state of Wisconsin, regardless of their party. I also believe that you made up a totally untenable story that can't be defended by anyone.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 12:21 AM
@Geoff The price of iron ore during th Doyle years until now. I rest my case. http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=iron-ore&months=60
Geoff Tolley May 02, 2012 at 01:48 AM
"Geoff, The mining company has been pursuing the mine in Wisconsin since the Doyle years" Really? Let's have a look at http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/Mines/Projects.html where we are told that "The DNR issued Gogebic Taconite an exploration license in spring 2011". Doesn't sound like they even got around to exploring until the Doyle years were but a memory. Unfortunately for your point the price then was rather higher then than today. "when the price of iron was half of what it is today." I read that the figures thrown around with regard to the size of the potential investment were of the order of $1.5 billion. Presuming that your claim is accurate about the timing of the origins of this project (and setting aside the facts of the exploration timetable), then a mine capable of being profitable with that level of investment at half the current market price for the product would give them at least an additional $1.5 billion in profit if it were to go ahead at today's prices. Yet Gogebic walked away. They didn't even try to wave millions in goodwill investments on the people of Schultz's district (or anyone else's) in an attempt to find even a sliver of a chance of getting what they wanted legislatively. If your explanation is correct, then Gogebic are run by the greatest morons on the planet.
Geoff Tolley May 02, 2012 at 01:48 AM
"In addition, as I have already mentioned (and you did not address), everyone involved agrees that the Wisconsin location is the most profitable one because the ore is more concentrated." Gogebic's competitors clearly don't agree through their disinterest. Looking at http://headwatersnews.net/feature/public-meeting-held-on-proposed-penokee-iron-mine/ it would seem that even Gogebic Taconite's own spokesman disagrees with you, reportedly describing the site as having "less favorable geology" and the ore as "low-grade".
Luke May 02, 2012 at 04:49 AM
@Geoff <<<<Really? Let's have a look at it.>>> Oh boy! Let’s!! <<<http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/Mines/Projects.html where we are told that "The DNR issued Gogebic Taconite an exploration license in spring 2011". Doesn't sound like they even got around to exploring until the Doyle years were but a memory. Unfortunately for your point the price then was rather higher then than today.>>> You are so right, Geoff. It sure looks like they weren’t even around exploring until 2011. You are certainly right that the Doyle years were but a memory when that license was issued. Do you think, Geoff, that getting a license to explore is like going to the store and buying an iPhone? They just ask a couple of questions and then hand it to you? Perhaps something had to happen FIRST? Continued….
Luke May 02, 2012 at 04:53 AM
They buy the mineral rights first. Here is the document that gave them the rights, long before Walker took office, and LONG after they started negotiating with the county! http://www.northwoodalliance.org/GogebicTaconite/GTAC_Lease_Option.pdf The price of iron was 1/5 of what it is today when Gogebic started the process. <<<Yet Gogebic walked away. They didn't even try to wave millions in goodwill investments on the people of Schultz's district (or anyone else's) in an attempt to find even a sliver of a chance of getting what they wanted legislatively.>>> On the contrary, they did. But that’s another rabbit trail I will chase you down at another time. <<<<If your explanation is correct, then Gogebic are run by the greatest morons on the planet.>>> No, your understanding of the situation is incorrect. For example, a $7 fee for every ton of land moved killed the deal. A single scoop of dirt (literally DIRT) would have cost the company $100 before any iron could be removed. Now that’s stooooooopid.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 05:28 AM
@Geoff <<<<<Gogebic's competitors clearly don't agree through their disinterest. Looking at http://headwatersnews.net/feature/public-meeting-held-on-proposed-penokee-iron-mine/ it would seem that even Gogebic Taconite's own spokesman disagrees with you, reportedly describing the site as having "less favorable geology" and the ore as "low-grade".>>>> Now that's funny. Seriously funny. He is making a comparison of relatively local EXISTING mines as point of reference for the audience. Those are not places that the company has as other options for new mines. The company was ready to dig here, so they did not go to those places mentioned in the article. On the contrary, they went to Michigan..
Geoff Tolley May 02, 2012 at 06:19 AM
"The price of iron was 1/5 of what it is today when Gogebic started the process." So now you're implying that Gogebic left at least $6 billion in pure profit on the table without making any serious play for public opinion? It makes no sense. (If $1.5 billion investment is profitable at 1/5 current price => expected revenue at 1/5 current price exceeds $1.5 billion => expected revenue at current price exceeds $7.5 billion => expected profit at current price exceeds $6 billion). Except you don't really, because the unequivocal earliest date that the document you cite puts the start of Gogebic's interest at is January 2010, at which time according to your earlier link the price of iron ore was 87% of today's price, not 20%. For the latter figure you are saying their interest stretches back to at least 2007. Conceivable, even if you haven't sourced it. Let's run with that for now. Curiously, the mining regulations in 2007 were the same as they are today, yet Gogebic was apparently completely undeterred. There was no guarantee whatsoever that a sympathetic Republican Party would take the trifecta of the Assembly, Senate and Governor's Mansion in the elections three years later, yet Gogebic was apparently completely undeterred. Why would Gogebic be suddenly put off going ahead with a mine by the failure to change regulations that had been completely consistent throughout all earlier stages of the project? It makes no sense.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 06:58 AM
Geoff, <<<<So now you're implying that Gogebic left at least $6 billion in pure profit on the table without making any serious play for public opinion? It makes no sense.>>>> No, I'm stating outright that you keep changing the topic to something new because you keep getting spanked on issue after issue after issue. You are such a moving target. In addition, YOU are the one implying that they left that much on the table (which undermines your VERY OWN ARGUMENT!). But what DID I say? I said that on the bill the Dems put such outrageous fees that they company decided to move on. <<<<Except you don't really, because the unequivocal earliest date that the document you cite puts the start of Gogebic's interest at is January 2010, at which time according to your earlier link the price of iron ore was 87% of today's price, not 20%. For the latter figure you are saying their interest stretches back to at least 2007. Conceivable, even if you haven't sourced it. Let's run with that for now.>>>> No, that’s the date of the signing of the document, after more than two years of dealing with politicians. That is not the date they walked in the door. As for the numbers regarding ore, the lowest is $34.8 and the highest is $190. Even if we pick $135 as a point of reference, we have many times whatever number you want to pick as a recent reference point. Continued…
Luke May 02, 2012 at 06:59 AM
But Geoff, I’m going to have to use my adult voice on you now. Your point was that prices are much lower now than when Gogebic started the process. It’s time you put on your big boy pants and stop playing games. I was right and you were wrong. <<<<Curiously, the mining regulations in 2007 were the same as they are today, yet Gogebic was apparently completely undeterred.>>> No, they are not the same. The Dems kept adding fees and regulations. They couldn’t even scoop up a cup of useless soil without paying a new hefty fee. <<<< There was no guarantee whatsoever that a sympathetic Republican Party would take the trifecta of the Assembly, Senate and Governor's Mansion in the elections three years later, yet Gogebic was apparently completely undeterred.>>>> And? Do you have anything to add? How else would they have gone about it? Do you know in advance what people will do? If so, perhaps you can fault them. <<<<<Why would Gogebic be suddenly put off going ahead with a mine by the failure to change regulations that had been completely consistent throughout all earlier stages of the project? It makes no sense.>>>>> You’re right that what YOU suggest happened makes no sense. But it never happened.
Geoff Tolley May 02, 2012 at 07:24 AM
"<<<<So now you're implying that Gogebic left at least $6 billion in pure profit on the table without making any serious play for public opinion? It makes no sense.>>>> [...] In addition, YOU are the one implying that they left that much on the table (which undermines your VERY OWN ARGUMENT!)." It's called reductio ad absurdum. *You* are the one putting forward that they were interested in having a mine in Wisconsin even at 1/5 the current market price. Since the investment amount spoken of is $1.5 billion and I have already laid out the arithmetic, *your* position requires that they be walking away from at least $6 billion in profit, and that without making any serious attempt to sway public opinion commensurate with that amount of money being at stake. This conclusion is absurd. Therefore the position (yours) that leads to it is false. "<<<< There was no guarantee whatsoever that a sympathetic Republican Party would take the trifecta of the Assembly, Senate and Governor's Mansion in the elections three years later, yet Gogebic was apparently completely undeterred.>>>> And? Do you have anything to add? How else would they have gone about it? Do you know in advance what people will do? If so, perhaps you can fault them." So, undeterred by the mining laws under which they developed their project, they were then suddenly deterred when it turned out that they'd have to operate under that mining law. Got it.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 07:34 AM
@Geoff <<<<So, undeterred by the mining laws under which they developed their project, they were then suddenly deterred when it turned out that they'd have to operate under that mining law. Got it.>>>> No, silly Geoff. Why can't you read what I said? I said that the Dems were trying to pass a bill that CHANGED the laws? Also, when are you going to put your big boy pants on? When you are you going to admit that the cost of iron is many times what it was then the company started the process?
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Geoff Tolley May 02, 2012 at 07:37 AM
"No, silly Geoff. Why can't you read what I said? I said that the Dems were trying to pass a bill that CHANGED the laws?" Because I credited you with having mistyped and was waiting for you to rephrase, but apparently not. Erm, the GOP were trying to pass a bill that changed the laws, the Dems were clearly interested in keeping the status quo. "Also, when are you going to put your big boy pants on? When you are you going to admitt that the cost of iron is many times what it was then the company started the process?" Given that I've just proven via reductio ad absurdum that the company cannot have been serious about it at that point, I'm not awfully concerned about it.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 11:05 AM
@Geoff <<<<Given that I've just proven via reductio ad absurdum that the company cannot have been serious about it at that point, I'm not awfully concerned about it.>>>> The only thing you showed is that your speculation failed to match up with history and sound math. You failed to show that the bill did not make it more profitable to go elsewhere. Can't wait to see that argument.
Geoff Tolley May 02, 2012 at 07:52 PM
"The only thing you showed is that your speculation failed to match up with history and sound math." So you're just banging on the table now. Got it. You've been busily speculating that Gogebic's interest in the area dates to 2007 or earlier, yet at a public meeting on January 19th 2011 (http://www.northwoodalliance.org/GogebicTaconite/GTAC_Transcript_20110119.htm), their managing director Matt Fifield said "we are just at the very very beginning of the process". Hell, Gogebic Taconite LLC did not even *exist* until June 2010 (https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/controller file number 4836589). It would appear that you're an expert on the failure of speculation to line up with history. Since you are watching the commodity price, you know that in January 2011 - "at the very very beginning of the process" - it was 25% higher than in March 2012 when Gogebic pulled out. He also claimed at that meeting "2.2 billion tons of taconite resource". Yet Gogebic never even applied for an exploration license until March 15th 2011 (http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/Mines/documents/projects/GogebicExplorationLicenseApplication31511.pdf). They never actually bothered getting as far as doing any actual exploring of the deposit.
Geoff Tolley May 02, 2012 at 07:52 PM
What changed between January 2011 and March 2012? We know that the laws were the same, we know that the ground itself didn't change since it wasn't disturbed, we know that Gogebic's knowledge about the taconite there didn't expand since there was no new exploration. What changed? The fact is that between January 2011 and March 2012 Gogebic's Wisconsin plans changed. At least two relevant things happened in that time: a mining bill failed and the price of the product dropped 25%. My contention is and always has been that you cannot look at these facts and claim that AB426's failure was necessarily the sole or even the predominant reason for Gogebic's change of plans.
Geoff Tolley May 02, 2012 at 07:53 PM
The fact that Republican leadership and Gogebic both pointed to AB426's rejection by the Senate does not shed any light upon which of the two or what mix of them was the actual cause. Republican leadership gained politically - regardless of the actual cause - from the narrative that the Dems and a rogue Senator of theirs had killed a jobs bill; Gogebic gained - regardless of the actual cause - from the same narrative because it gives them political leverage elsewhere to have laws tailored to suit them. Therefore the fact that Republican leadership and Gogebic pointed to the same reason does not shed any light upon what the actual cause of their packing up was. Therefore passage of AB426 would not inevitably have led to any more jobs created in Wisconsin, unless you can establish that a 25% reduction in potential revenue didn't kill it (and that level of reduction will kill a lot of potential investments). It may well have, but there is no inevitability about it.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 10:26 PM
@Geoff <<<<<You've been busily speculating that Gogebic's interest in the area dates to 2007 or earlier, yet at a public meeting on January 19th 2011 (http://www.northwoodalliance.org/GogebicTaconite/GTAC_Transcript_20110119.htm), their managing director Matt Fifield said "we are just at the very very beginning of the process". Hell, Gogebic Taconite LLC did not even *exist* until June 2010 (https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/controller file number 4836589). It would appear that you're an expert on the failure of speculation to line up with history.>>>> That’s funny. He is clearly talking about dealing with the public and getting the bill passed. Certainly no one but you would argue that negotiating with the county and getting mineral rights did not happen before, and therefore were closer to the beginning than the date at which he was speaking. His point is that they are just beginning what is part of a larger process that culminates in a bill that passes. Yet I guess that I wouldn’t be surprised to find out are going to argue that 2008-2010 came after 2011.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 10:27 PM
In addition, I’m confused by your comment that the company did not exist until June of 2010. The company signed the mineral rights agreement on January of that year. You provide a link to Delaware, but there’s nothing on the site when I go there. I can’t imagine what could be on a document in Delaware that would contradict what happened here in Wisconsin months before you say the company existed. As for any lag between one step or another, it is almost universally true in these circumstances that a company takes a lot of time to get the logistics in order so that resources aren’t wasted. They need to be as certain as possible that they are not going to spend money on a project that is going nowhere, so they spend a lot of time between steps to make sure they have the backing of the powers that be. After that they take the next step, each of which becomes more and more public.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 10:28 PM
<<<<What changed between January 2011 and March 2012?>>>> The bill that was proposed. <<<< We know that the laws were the same, we know that the ground itself didn't change since it wasn't disturbed, we know that Gogebic's knowledge about the taconite there didn't expand since there was no new exploration. What changed?>>>> The bill. <<<The fact is that between January 2011 and March 2012 Gogebic's Wisconsin plans changed. At least two relevant things happened in that time: a mining bill failed and the price of the product dropped 25%.>>> Swings like that happen all the time. The fact is that the price of iron was up hundreds of times since the company approached the county. Any company that can’t tolerate swings like that won’t go into business in the first place. Every metal besides the very most precious ones (excluding sliver) make those types of swings, at the very least.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 10:29 PM
<<<<The fact that Republican leadership and Gogebic both pointed to AB426's rejection by the Senate does not shed any light upon which of the two or what mix of them was the actual cause. Republican leadership gained politically - regardless of the actual cause - from the narrative that the Dems and a rogue Senator of theirs had killed a jobs bill; Gogebic gained - regardless of the actual cause - from the same narrative because it gives them political leverage elsewhere to have laws tailored to suit them. Therefore the fact that Republican leadership and Gogebic pointed to the same reason does not shed any light upon what the actual cause of their packing up was.>>> On the contrary, the Dems agreed with the Republicans and the company that the bill was unacceptable to the company. No one disagrees. The company went elsewhere.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 10:30 PM
<<<<<Therefore passage of AB426 would not inevitably have led to any more jobs created in Wisconsin, unless you can establish that a 25% reduction in potential revenue didn't kill it (and that level of reduction will kill a lot of potential investments). It may well have, but there is no inevitability about it.>>>> The price of iron didn’t kill it. We are told what killed it by everyone involved. They are actually going to mine in another state, which was their second choice after Wisconsin. The price of iron is hundreds of times what it was prior to when the process began. People who deal with metal prices expected the price of all metals to go up, and the present price is actually pretty good.
Geoff Tolley May 02, 2012 at 10:37 PM
"You provide a link to Delaware, but there’s nothing on the site when I go there." That's a related to how their search works: it's a POST, not GET, so I can't craft a URL to get directly to the Gogebic entry, which is why I provided the URL of the search box and the file number to search for to get to it. "The price of iron is hundreds of times what it was prior to when the process began." Hahahahahahahhahaaaa! Let's try another quote from that meeting transcript by their managing director, Matt Fifield: "We first learned of the deposit in late 2009" Perhaps I should see if I can buy Gogebic Taconite from Cline, because apparently they have perfected the time machine.
Luke May 02, 2012 at 10:54 PM
@Geoff <<<<"You provide a link to Delaware, but there’s nothing on the site when I go there." That's a related to how their search works: it's a POST, not GET, so I can't craft a URL to get directly to the Gogebic entry, which is why I provided the URL of the search box and the file number to search for to get to it.>>> Doesn't seem easy to use. I tried it, but failed. I don't have time to mess around with it. Perhaps you can copy and paste it, or maybe I will look for it later. I'm very confident that it will lead to nothing worth looking at, considering that the company was already a LLC that could do business in this state. I suspect you are looking at something that applies to that state. <<<<<<"The price of iron is hundreds of times what it was prior to when the process began." Hahahahahahahhahaaaa! Let's try another quote from that meeting transcript by their managing director, Matt Fifield: "We first learned of the deposit in late 2009" Perhaps I should see if I can buy Gogebic Taconite from Cline, because apparently they have perfected the time machine.>>> Yeah, maybe I should have said 100%. Silly me.

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