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Politics and The Dark Knight Rises

If you are inclined to agree with Rush Limbaugh, it is possible you agree with his contention that The Dark Knight Rises is liberal propaganda smearing Mitt Romney.

“Do you think it is accidental that the name of the really vicious, fire-breathing, four-eyed, whatever-it-is villain in this movie is named Bane?" Limbaugh asked on his radio show. He added, “So this evil villain in the new Batman movie is named Bane. And there's discussion out there as to whether or not this was purposeful and whether or not it will influence voters. It's going to have a lot of people. The audience is going to be huge. A lot of people are going to see the movie. And it's a lot of brain-dead people -- entertainment, the pop culture crowd -- and they're going to hear Bane in the movie and they're going to associate Bain.”

Never mind that Bane was created and introduced in 1993. Or that the third entry in director Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy basically went into production the second after The Dark Knight hit theaters in 2008 and selected Bane as its villain long before Romney was the last GOP presidential candidate standing.

Limbaugh’s reaction was predictable. He and many other conservatives never pass on an opportunity to bash Hollywood and lament what they see as rampant liberalism in mainstream movies. It happens at least a few times a year. Back in February The Lorax was accused of brainwashing kids with pro-environment propaganda.

The problem with these claims is that Hollywood only cares about one color, and it’s not blue. Yes, there is no shortage of liberals in the entertainment industry. But that is a matter of personal politics. Movie studios need their products to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. They are aggressively seeking the best possible return on their investments.

The fact is movie studios now are part of huge corporations. Universal is controlled by Comcast. Columbia is part of the Sony family. Paramount is part of Viacom. And what are the primary objectives of corporations? Maximize shareholder value and turn a profit. Make as much money as humanly possible. Everything else is secondary.

Hollywood will jump on any trend if it thinks there is money in it. Right now cheaply made “found footage” horror movies are popular. They are low risk, high reward.

Another example of this is faith-based films. After the runaway success of The Passion of the Christ, numerous studios got involved in producing and distributing movies aimed at viewers of faith. Sony Pictures Entertainment has Affirm Films. Their titles include Courageous and Fireproof. Samuel Goldwyn Films occasionally releases faith-based films including this year’s October Baby. New Line, part of Warner Bros. Entertainment, released The Nativity Story.

Often studios hold advanced screenings for churches to generate positive word of mouth with “spiritual” audiences even if the movie isn’t overtly faith-based. Prior to releasing Secretariat in 2010, Disney held screenings at large churches across the country.

The studios saw new revenue streams with these viewers. There was demand so they made sure to meet it. The same is true for the low-budget horror movies. After Paranormal Activity, everyone jumped on the bandwagon. The studios and the people running them just see dollar signs.

Warner Bros. spent $400 million to make and market The Dark Knight Rises. It needs to make far more than that to become profitable. The studio is not going to risk alienating millions of potential ticket buyers by making an overtly political film.

As The Hollywood Reporter points out today, there was a lot of debate about the politics of The Dark Knight. Both conservatives and liberals found ideological messages in it and the same will probably be true of The Dark Knight Rises. Many viewers will read into it what they want to and seek to find messages that are aligned with their beliefs.

However one feels about the movie and its content, the only thing the studio cares about is whether or not you buy a ticket.  

Bob McBride

9:56 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

I guess the barrel of burning issues has about bottomed out.

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James R Hoffa

10:30 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

@Mr. Doro -

"The studio is not going to risk alienating millions of potential ticket buyers by making an overtly political film."

So then, exactly how did Oliver Stone's so-called biopic films about JFK, Nixon, and George W Bush ever get greed lighted? And why do the studios now agree to front Michael Moore millions of dollars to produce his line of so-called documentaries?

The mere existence of the Fox News and MSNBC pundits show that there is a demand for both right and left leaning political fare. And while the ratings of those two networks would suggest a far larger audience for right-wing political fare, Hollywood has consistently turned out more left-wing political fare. Need I even mention HBO Films as being a notoriously liberal production house?

So, how exactly do you reconcile the discrepancy between apparent demand vs the product actually turned out by Hollywood?

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Paul Doro

10:33 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

Oliver Stone's films are biopics that did not cost $400 million to make and market. Michael Moore's documentaries make money. Like I said, they are in the business of making money.

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James R Hoffa

11:18 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

And documentaries made from the right-wing perspective on issues wouldn't make money? Wouldn't the ratings of Fox News definitely prove otherwise?

So, just because Stone's biopics didn't cost hundreds of millions to produce and market, the studio was in fact willing to "risk alienating millions of potential ticket buyers by making an overtly political film?"

While I agree that a company's primary purpose is to make money, it often appears that Hollywood does take on the risk of alienating audience members by making controversial and/or biased product. And in taking such risks when it comes to overtly political film making, Hollywood tends to lean to the left more often than the right.

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Paul Doro

11:21 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

You can't really avoid politics in a biopic about Kennedy, Nixon, or Bush can you? An exception every once in a while does not change the fact that it's still all about the money. Biopics are often chasing awards and prestige and that can lead to more money. And right-wing documentaries are made and released all the time. Just last weekend one played in Houston and did very well.

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James R Hoffa

11:27 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

"And right-wing documentaries are made and released all the time."

Without going to the IMDb or other online resources, how many right-wing documentaries can you name that Hollywood funded a wide release of vs left-wing documentaries?

Yeah, I rest my case!

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Paul Doro

11:28 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

The studios really don't fund documentaries James. They are often picked up for distribution after they are made.

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James R Hoffa

11:35 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

You're right, that's why I qualified my statement with "funded a wide release of," as documentarians typically don't fund their own wide releases - usually the studios do this.

And the studios tend to take on the risk of wide distribution of left-wing perspective documentaries much more than they do right-wing perspective documentaries.

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Paul Doro

11:37 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

Also very few documentaries receive anything close to a wide release. And the major studios are rarely involved with documentaries.

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James R Hoffa

11:44 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

For theatrical releases, I agree. Moore is a very big exception though. However, every major studio has an art-house division for direct-to-video release and distribution of such fare. And one again, more left-wing product is consistently picked up than right-wing product for even the direct-to-video distribution. HBO Films is a perfect example of engaging in both the production and distribution of consistently left-wing biased product - even you must admit to this reality!

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Paul Doro

11:51 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

And Moore's last three films were released by Overture and Lionsgate, not one of the major studios. And only Fahrenheit 9/11 received a wide release. The art house divisions are not really for direct-to-DVD movies. They are for Oscar bait and serious stuff more than anything. I think people probably see the bias they want to see in the films HBO makes.

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James R Hoffa

12:08 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

"And Moore's last three films were released by Overture and Lionsgate, not one of the major studios."

You don't consider Lionsgate to be a major Hollywood player? They're publicly traded on the NYSE for heaven's sake! They have more quarterly output and revenue than is generated by MGM/UA!

"The art house divisions are not really for direct-to-DVD movies."

Really? And how many Fox Searchlight pictures received a theatrical release? The art-house divisions are where the studios tend to put the documentary product that they pick-up, isn't it? And how is a majority of the product that is released and distributed through the art-house divisions done exactly? I'll help you out here - direct-to-video.

"They are for Oscar bait and serious stuff more than anything."

You mean they're not all about making money? Many of those films are funded with government tax credits and art endowment grants.

"I think people probably see the bias they want to see in the films HBO makes."

Yeah, because it's totally not apparent. Game Change (2012) was 100% historically accurate and provided an accurate depiction of the people portrayed in the film, right? But isn't there a problem when the actual people who are portrayed in the film come out and say that the film is little more than a politically biased hit job that totally distorts the truth of what really happened?

Come on!

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Paul Doro

12:13 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

Almost all Fox Searchlight movies receive a theatrical release, just not a wide one. Again, the art house divisions are for awards fare and prestige films far more than they are for direct-to-DVD movies.

Lionsgate is a major Hollywood player, sure, now more than they were back when they released Moore movies. They're not Paramount or Universal though.

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James R Hoffa

12:47 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

So Hollywood makes bank on limited non-wide theatrical engagements? If it wasn't for the tax credits and art endowment grants to make many of those films, wouldn't many of them have produced actual losses for the producers and studios distributing them?

When Lionsgate merged with Trimark Pictures, their combined rental and home video distribution system became far better than anything that either Viacom (Paramount) or MCA Universal has in such regard.

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Keith Schmitz

6:25 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

That's because Jimmy the FOX audience aged 65+ cannot get out of their Lazy Boys, hop on their rascals and motor down to the multiplex, where they may have to tolerate being in the presence of a multicultural audience.

Greg

11:42 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

Paul, If I could give you an award for this blog, I would call it The Hoover Award, because you are the biggest sucker. (I don't say that in a mean way) Rush Limbaugh, just like the movie studios, is in it for the money. He is an entertainer, he presents his opinion. If your head was not nodding so hard to Ed Schultz's babble, you would see he is just an entertainer. Bill Mahr, entertainer. Keith Olbermann, entertainer. Mark Behling, entertainer. They are all in it for the "green". Limbaugh and Belling would tell you that Obama is great for their ratings and bottom line. Schultz and Maddow may say the same thing about Walker or Romney, it's for the money. Ed does not take home an average UAW wage, these people are part of the 1%. Every one of them will use the same tax loopholes that the big corporations and CEOs use. Much of the stuff that Olbermann and Schultz spew is based less on fact than entertainment value. Get some pop corn, sit back and enjoy the show.

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Paul Doro

11:46 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

Don't watch Schultz or MSNBC, or Olbermann. So is the sucker actually the one making assumptions without really knowing what they speak of? I used Limbaugh to make broader points about Hollywood and accusations of liberal propaganda in film. Of course Rush is an entertainer in it for the money. That is stating the obvious.

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Greg

12:07 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

"Don't watch Schultz or MSNBC, or Olbermann."
Maybe you should, so you would have a more rounded view for your next blog. Otherwise "So is the sucker actually the one making assumptions without really knowing what they speak of?", is nothing more than a commentary on yourself.

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Paul Doro

12:14 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

How would watching more MSNBC have influenced a blog about liberal propaganda in Hollywood movies?

CowDung

12:22 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

To add more fuel for the conspiracy, the film's producer, Thomas Tull is a minority owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers. We all know that Steeler chairman emeritus (Dan Rooney) was appointed by Obama as ambassador to Ireland.

Obvious left wing connection if you ask me...

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J. B. Schmidt

12:23 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

@Paul
I believe Rush would call this a media tweak and fell face first into it.

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Keith Schmitz

6:27 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

One would think Rush is an expert at falling face first into things, since the drug addled gas bag probably does that very thing hours after his shift on the Obesity in Broadcasting Network.

Chris Larsen

1:12 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

As a conservative, I feel that Rush Limbaugh is an idiot. To me the only RUSH is the band!

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Bren

1:28 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

@Greg's right. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer, one of the first of the "shock jocks." My father, a Goldwater-era Republican, doesn't listen to Rush Limbaugh.

While some of these polititainment shows are interesting, they are no substitute for independent research and should serve as a starting point for that research rather than oracles.

There are many Batman movies and I have seen very few of them. I'll confess I enjoy movies for entertainment value, but real life is far more exciting!

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James R Hoffa

2:17 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

Personally, Hoffa prefers the Tim Burton Batman films staring Michael Keaton in the headline role to the Christopher Nolan Dark Knight series of films.

As far as radio pundits go, there is no comparison to the great Michael Savage!

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Heather Asiyanbi

4:59 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

@Hoffa. UGH - really? The Burton films? Oy. No way. The Nolan trilogy (I assume since TDKR isn't officially released yet) far surpass the Keaton franchise when it comes to writing, set design, directing, villains (Ledger's Joker is legend for good reason), and acting. Burton's set reminds me of cheesy B-movies in comparison.

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James R Hoffa

5:36 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

@Heather A -

I think I told you my fondness for the Burton/Keaton Batman films once before, on FB, and you had the same reaction :-)

How can Batman get any better than Burton directing, Keaton as Batman, Nicholson as the Joker, Michael Gough as Alfred, the best Batmobile ever to grace the screen, and a soundtrack from Prince?!?! That film inspired a ride at Six Flags for heaven's sakes, and the sequel a live stage show at the theme park!

OK, I admit I love B-movies and am biased to the '80's/'90's nostalgia factor! Not to mention that I find it hard to embrace most of the new / young blood acting talent, although Bale's not bad.

I also prefer Roger Corman's unreleased 1994 version of the 'Fantastic Four' to the Hollywood films!

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James R Hoffa

5:40 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

BTW -

The Schumacher films were absolutely HORRID stinkers not worthy of the franchise!!!

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Heather Asiyanbi

6:20 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

@Hoffa - *smacks my forehead* I should have remembered your fondness for B-movies & just handed you the popcorn!

BTW - we haven't had a blog in quite some time from you!

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Keith Schmitz

6:30 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

Hard to weight them Jimmy. Though the Nicholson/Burton pairing seemed good on paper, they were essentially cartons.

The latest pack is grim and excessive. How many times can Bruce Wayne get wiped out?

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James R Hoffa

11:01 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

@Schmitzy -

That's funny - I would have figured you for a George Clooney as Batman fan!

Come on - Burton also benefited from Danny Elfman's score and original music from Prince which is far more iconic and 'Batman like' than Hans Zimmers work and any of the songs used in the Dark Knight series. Just compare these two scenes and you'll see there's no comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_encIvqQ8

Now, let's compare the stats on Batman: The Ride vs The Dark Knight Coaster:

Batman: The Ride

Height 105 ft
Length 2,694 ft
Speed 50 mph
Inversions 5
Duration 2:00

The Dark Knight Coaster:

Height 45 ft
Length 1,213 ft
Speed 30 mph
Inversions 0
Duration 2:00

See, even Six Flags recognizes that Burton and Keaton own Nolan and Bale!

Case closed ;-)

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James R Hoffa

11:14 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

I hope that we can all agree that the worse thing to happen in the Batman universe was the Halle Berry stinker Catwoman (2004) - now there's a pos that should be erased from history by the film gods! Yes, it was even worse than the George Clooney / Schumacher film Batman & Robin (1997).

Dirk Gutzmiller

9:55 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

Gee, where are all the right-wing commenters this morning? Has something happened?

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CowDung

10:22 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

Where are the 'right-wing commenters' all supposed to be this morning?

Phil

10:32 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

The 'right-wing commentators' are all at work making money and paying taxes for all those 'liberal-takers'.

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Dirk Gutzmiller

11:08 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

Harry - Playing on the internet at work again?

DICK STEINBERG

5:42 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Movies are part of the American culture but there is no federal mandate to go or not to go to the movies. that was tried once by the Harris Commission. former WI Senator Joe McCarthy was out to destroy the reputations of every person he thought was a real communist. both the censorship commissions and McCarthy failed. This is not my kind of entertainment so go see it and pay the piper.

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Paul Ruble

7:00 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

I see that this author does not get sarcasm.

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