Great video. The leadership deficit this country has been challenged with under Obama slaps you in the face when you hear the speeches of our past presidents.

@Hoffa
"Obama knows what to do." Such a profoundly sad statement. Yet, you hear this sentiment in the posts of so many liberals on Patch. All that blind trust in a man, a man they know less about then Romney.

"Loves gays, but loves eating chicken just as much." ~ Typical bigoted statement by a typical narrow-minded, hate-filled right-winger who lets his fear of something different become his only motivation.

Patzfahl, why don't you go tend to your mindless hate blog. Maybe Barack will let you lick his chicken bone.

LOL.... Putzfahl likes BBQ, finger lickin good.

Jason: Or do you prefer Barry Q sauce?

Nuitari, if this isn't a racist statement, why the comment about eating chicken? Looking forward to your reply,

Don't you have a brain . Romney favors traditional marriage. He didnt make Chick Fil A A story...... Liberals did .He really isn't part of the story as his view is well known to anyone who has a clue !

@$$andNonsense -

OK, so who are you backing in this Presidential contest? Certainly you must have a third party or independent candidate that you've vetted and are backing. So instead of merely ripping on the two big players, why don't you give with your horse in this race?

Goofa
And that is between me and the ballot and none of your damn business and like you I am expressing my freedom of speech which you constantly seem to have a hard time with if it doesn't agree with your narrow view of PPP (political party prostitue) absolutism. You are a lemming, I am not. Run for the cliff. I too am tired of this "Hope and Change" BS crap doled out the last 4 years. Your horse has a lot in common with the current status quo, more money for me and my political affiliates and screw the middle class. Throw you all on the car roof and go for a ride. Your youth makes you blind because you are swapping the hope and change of one party for the other. Go ahead, put Romney in office. The only thing I will concede there is that it gets rid of one problem and provides a new one. Where I have issue with people like your self and others like you is not that you back one candidate or another but the way you take their private parts into your mouths, swallow, and then crow about it. How about a little humility and decency. Admit that these are fallible human beings that have agendas, make mistakes and should be held accountable for their actions. Can we agree on this or is grey too much for your black and white way of thinking? I have been in the people management business for a long time to know that grey is much safer. What's your take? Still black and white?

@$$andNonsense -

Funny how you'll openly trash the major party candidates and people's support of one or the other but won't reveal your horse in the race.

Typically, Hoffa does go rogue and votes for a third party or independent candidate. Hoffa has supported Perot, Nader (should have backed Buchanan in the 2000 race but ended up backing Nader again in 2004 for lack of a better alternative), and McCain (but mostly because of Sarah Palin).

Although Romney doesn't represent an ideal candidate to Hoffa, there is too much at stake to go rogue this time around. Romney is 100 times more preferable than four more years of Obama!

More often than not, life is a compromise and this is a compromise worth making!

Goofa
If you read carefully, that is pretty much what I posted. I have no use for the hope and change team. I especially despise Holder and Clinton and their willingness to sell out our nation and constitution to the UN and “new world order” (look to FDR’s inscription at his DC memorial) that was accelerated by the last 2 term shrub president. Patriot Act, Federal Reserve Bank, CFR, war on drugs, war on terrorism, etc., etc., my ass. Give me a choice, not "two big players". You are still hell bound on black and white.

"Typically, Hoffa does go rogue and votes for a third party or independent candidate." And so do I. Anyone that tells me that a write in vote is a wasted vote is just another PPP lemming.

You and Saul call me a “grumpy old liberal”. I say, si vis pacem, parabellum. You and Saul (and quite a few other kid posters on this site) can keep swallowing and lapping up the spew from the current batch of political fools that soothes your youthful expectations to your content.

A compromise? One bag of turds versus another that you will be forced to eat and pay tribute to? Boy, you sure have been trained by the "new world order". Grow a pair and get their privates out of your mouth, fool.

@Hoffa,
$$andNonsense just is not happy with anybody. I bet he chases Girl Scouts off his porch with his cane when cookie time rolls around.

@Bren .......he is part of the liberal movement. He recently evolved and now his former chief of staff wants to use that specific view as a criteria for business in Chicago. Obama is involved by default when his friends (often shady) continue to ring the wrong notes on his liberal platform. The Chick fil a problem ties in all to well to his anti christian stance. You havent forget his recent run in with freedom of religion already?

@Bren -

That's like MS-NBC saying all night on June 5th that Walker's historic recall victory didn't pose a problem for Obama simply because he avoided personally connecting himself to the recall, which by-the-way represented an Obama LIE wherein be promised to march on the picket-line with union members!

Even Jon Stewart of the Daily Show called out MS-NBC for the extreme partisan spin and denial of reality!

And Hoffa will call you out on it pertaining to this issue!

skinny, I'm just not seeing it that way. Cathy decided to speak out as he did. He knew he was going to spark some sort of reaction. There are Republican gays too, remember. Tests are indicating that gender orientation is physical. As these tests become better known, more people are understanding that being gay isn't a "lifestyle" choice at all. And Obama didn't have a run-in with freedom of religion at all. He merely expanded bi-partisan legislature in multiple states, and the right-wing fringe of the GOP went ballistic. Remember that the Tea Party is actually the fringe of the GOP, the ones who believed that the GOP wasn't sufficiently intolerant.

Mr. Hoffa, you enjoy "calling people out" from behind your C-64, don't you? See my response to skinny above.

@Bren
He was asked a question in a interview? He is a proud christian .....Is he suppose to lie for YOU ! You seem to think he had a news conference to state what is obvious ...that Chick - Fil- a is a founded by a Christian Family .This was NEVER a secret. They are closed on Sunday and in today's world few Retail outlets are. Christian biz are that exception .The left wanted THIS issue and AMERICA slapped them back into reality. That is the story. You have a habit of not knowing the facts and commenting in Ignorance. Even your Ignorance is protected by FREE SPEECH but it simply becomes meaningless when you don't know or accept the Obvious facts.

"I noticed JB's "article" once again has absolutely no facts, humor or satire and is as dry as my pet turtle's behind . . ."

And yet it is still better written and funnier than anything you have done Jason!!!

@Jason -

Jealous and envious that JB is a far more effective blogger than you?

Hey Saul

Best get the turtle some water. They are used to being wet in case you didn't know.

Jason at least has the guts to put his name and face on a post, whether or not you agree with him. Let's see you do that. Triple dog dare you to do the same.

Anti, come on! I think Jason is hilarious. I don't think J.B. is trying to write comedy, the humour in his writing is found in incongruity.

Jason every state and I believe its 31 of them that has put it to the peoples vote has overwhelmingly voted it down .THAT IS THE FACT ! EVEN the liberal Hot bed of California opposed it . So the overall view of America is well documented . You are merely in denial.

SkinnyDUDE –

[From the London Olympics]

Your FACTS are simply NOT FACTS… 30 states never had the opportunity to VOTE on the issue of SSM…

As of May 10, 2012, gay marriage has been legalized in eight US states (MA, CT, IA, VT, NH, NY, WA - effective June 7, 2012, and MD - effective Jan. 1, 2013) and the District of Columbia.

30 STATES HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS BANNING GAY MARRIAGE!

In today’s America if Slavery was put to a popular vote, it would probably pass…

Same-sex marriage has been established through COURT RULINGS and LEGISLATIVE ACTION, but not via POPULAR VOTE. Nine states prohibit same-sex marriage in statute and thirty prohibit it in their CONSITUTION. The movement to obtain marriage rights and benefits for same-sex couples in the United States began in the 1970s, but became more prominent in U.S. politics in 1993 when the Hawaii Supreme Court declared the state's prohibition to be unconstitutional in Baehr v. Lewin.

Throughout the 2000s decade, public support for legalizing same-sex marriage grew considerably, and various national polls now show that a majority of Americans support same-sex marriage. On May 9, 2012, Barack Obama became the first sitting U.S. president to publicly declare support for the legalization of same-sex marriage.

These are FACTS...

Bren, that's the sad part. Jason is trying to be funny, and JB is still doing it better.

$$andNonsense, what are you babbling about with the turtle. If you are going to attempt a comedic tie-in at least have it make sense. And aren't you the pot calling the kettle black? I seriously doubt $$ is your first name.

@Jason -

Please quote the passages in JB's blog that are "...homophobic, bigoted statements...."

Mr. Wilson, I agree. It's a free country, and there has been public conflict between gays and homophobes since Anita Bryant (and even earlier). Time to give this stuff a rest.

So which events have you seen in London! I need to get back to London as soon as may be. I have stayed near Baker Street/Regent Park and Notting Hill Gate. I hope you will have opportunity to visit the Portobello Street Market! Also Camden Town.

@John Wilson -

At the Regency Mall Chick-fil-A location in Racine, over 4,000 attended CFA Appreciation Day. Only 4-6 showed up for the 'Kiss-In' protest, despite the City of Racine being the strongest Democratic stronghold in the entire state during the recent recall election! Where were you and your fellow majority and why didn't you show up to support the cause you believe in?

Hoffa admits that he's not the best with math, but he's pretty sure that 4,000+ is more than 4-6, thus constituting a majority.

1) JB supports the LGBT community's right to excise their rights, however, personally believes them to be over-reacting, as Cathy never trashed them in any of the comments he made. Cathy was merely promoting his own values, and what's so wrong with that?

2) "This lead to the reaction of government officials attempting to punish the company for the 1st amendment protected views of the CEO...."

I believe this to be the crux of the argument, which you didn't address at all in your little personally insultive tirade against JB.

Do you ever have anything of value to add other than your typical line of bollocks?

Bren -

[From the London Olympics]

I have many expatriate friends in the UK and I have a great company that paid for a hung chunk of this – tickets to all Basketball, Swimming and Beach Volleyball venues. I did get to see all of Michael Phelps events; because of scheduling, missed some of the basketball and beach volleyball events… but did pick them up on the BBC. In spite of those minor snafus, just a fantastic experience. [When you work 18-hours a day, 6-days a week… you probably deserve some of this…]

22 medals in total, with 18-gold, 2-silver and 2-bronze, will be a record that is sure to live for decades or longer. This young man has lived a lot of life in his brief 27-years and made America proud… EVERYONE is cheering and celebrating!

I stayed at the Portobello Hotel for a week – you know the costs in the UK… £ +VAT – so… did make it to the Portobello Market, several times, the food, the crowds and the people are just super. I could write a book on this experience, but suffice it to say that I am truly honored to have so many friends and a great company that made this all possible. I also made it to Trafalgar Square and made a trip to Stonehenge. I am also going to take the tube to Paris next week.

I have visited the Roundhouse and the World’s End; thanks to my “friends”, I really do not remember too much about the 5-hours spent at the World’s End…

PLS keep speaking truth to stupid... eventually, perhaps...

JRH –

[From the London Olympics]

JRH States:
Cathy was merely promoting his own values, and what's so wrong with that? 2) "This lead to the reaction of government officials attempting to punish the company for the 1st amendment protected views of the CEO….”

First, the LGBT Community is merely promoting their values for full, equal marriage rights, and what’s so wrong with that? That is their 1st Amendment right too…

Secondly, Mr. Cathy has a right to his opinion, and I have always asserted that; you have a right to your opinion; the LGBT Community has a right to their opinion; government officials – Mayor Thomas M. Menino of Boston, Mayor Edwin M. Lee of San Francisco, and, Mayor Rahm Emanuel of Chicago – all have a right to their opinion… These Mayors, ostensibly, understand it is illegal to block a business because of its owners’ religious beliefs; moreover, they too have the right to free speech…

Have these" government officials" initiated any laws, ordinances or any legal barriers to Mr. Cathy or his company?

NO, they have not! Case closed!

IF and UNTIL these “government officials” take some form of ACTION – something not covered by the 1st Amendment – you have no case; there is no “crux of the argument” HERE!

Be very careful of those windmills, JRH, if you keep riding your donkey into them your derriere is going to get all sliced up, and your poor, hapless donkey too..

Mr. Wilson, you are having an extraordinary experience, the memories of a lifetime! And to follow up with Paris as well. Amazing. I've stayed in St. Maurice (southern suburb) and in the Latin Quarter off the Boulevard St. Michel near the Cathedral Notre Dame. The great market is Clignacourt (Marché aux Puces St-Ouen de Clignancourt). I hope you will have time to stroll the Champs-Élysées from the Place de la Concorde to the Arc de Triomphe, and also the Latin Quarter. The river boat tour is also fantastic (just thinking about it makes me long to return!). I hope you will also have a chance to do some people-watching at an outdoor cafe while enjoying an espresso!

I'll save McBride the trouble of doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTJj4wbmAhk

Wow, $$andNonsense liked something.
Good going JB, you have performed a small miracle.

Johnny Blade –

[From the London Olympics]

The Tea Party: a group of old, terribly frustrated ultra-conservative christian and evangelical white people – who refused to believe that the government of the United States of America has the constitutional power to tax; they also believe that they are taxed enough already; they want limited government – actually no government – and they want less regulation – really, no regulation.

These people are characterized by the following people and issues:

Rush Limbaugh

Michelle Bachmann

Glen Beck

Congressman Roy Blunt

Senator Jim DeMint

Flat-Earth believers

Climate Change Deniers

Men must control women, especially their vagina and reproductive apparatus

Birthers

Replace the Constitution with the Bible

Hatred of all races other than white

Electing Congressmen/women & Senators that never COMPROMISE on ANYTHING

These Tea Party folks may be found just about anywhere, tightly clutching their $$$, filling envelopes with tea bags to send to Washington D.C., concocting vast, unfathomable conspiracy theories, mostly about the darker races, their freedoms being taken away, their guns being confiscated, Sharia law becoming the law of the land, Muslims taking over government from within the government, and government in general…

Therefore, Johnny Blade, you see, I do understand your Tea Party…

No John, you don't understand it at all!

All you are doing is taking your "vast right wing conspiracy" ideology and stating it as fact.

You may be right about them "tightly clutching their $$$" Most of the tea party activists I know have worked hard for what they have, and they are PISSED that government comes along to take that money and gives it to someone that doesn't want to work. Yes, you heard me right, DOES NOT WANT TO WORK!!! Think I am talking out of my A$$? Check out https://jobcenterofwisconsin.com/ . At the time of this post, 40758+ job openings. And that's just this site.

The problem Mr. Wilson isn't that we don't tax enough, it's that we spend way too much. What irks me most about Liberals is that they don't even consider cutting spending. They think that taxing more will solve all their problems.
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@Keith
Glad to know you are the unbiased Arbiter of Ignorance and free speech. I think you should focus on the Ignorance side of things as you appear to be an EXPERT in the field . You commentary can only fit your own personal vision of the world and the Ignorant view that all others must comply or they are all painted with the same brush . I wonder how you feel about all the black christian ministers that have blasted Rahm Emanuel for becoming the decider of all views of Chicago? You seem to share the same Ignorant view which AMERICANS overwhelmingly reject. FREE SPEECH matters even if its not in line with you idiotic personal mandate that you feel all MUST accept .

Hey genius, I'll make a Romney bet $10,000 that I mentioned anything about favoring what Rahm did. If you find it, I owe you $10,000. If you don't, then just shut the hell up.

I am so sick and tired over yahoos like you some how being smug over your hatred of this group of people. And make no mistake about it, this is hatred. I know you throw around the socialist thing a lot -- with no reason. But what you are doing here - demonizing a group, is pure Fascism.

Free speech is fine. But also nice if you knew what the hell you are talking about. And when it is clouded with ignorance and hatred, you don't know what you are talking about.

The gay lifestyle is not ruining America. Voting for politicians who are encouraging growing economic inequality because they are yanking your chain on this issue is what's ruining this country.

It's akin to those poor deluded southerners who were fighting for their "rats", getting killed, or wounded or coming home to their destroyed economy so that an aristocracy could own human property. Same thing pal.

Now your turn to say something ignorant and foolish

@Keith
Yes its my turn . You clearly cant read or comprehend basic english and than continue your rant in ignorance and utter nonsense when the facts don't support you .
I said I wonder how you feel about all the black christian ministers that have blasted Rahm Emanuel for becoming the decider of all views of Chicago? That doesnt say you favored or didnt favor anything you moron. It wa asking for your perspective as the clear arbiter of ignorance that youve become . GET A CLUE ....Sherlock as your certainly appear to be intellectually bankrupt of any common sense at all .Than rant and write another paragraph of nonsense to cover your originally ignorant view! NICE TRY .....but you failed yet again !

Since when are you against putting anything in your colon?

Thanks for verifying your stupidity.

I'm an American patriot. My Revolutionary War ancestors were on the side of the guys throwing the original Boston Tea Party. They would have called today's Tea/GOP Kings Men or Tories.

There was nothing quiet about the launch of the Tea Party, AWD. The Koch brothers and Tea Party Express bused 48 people around the country with blanketed press coverage on Fox. All we hear about in the media is revisionist history (still haven't forgiven Sarah Palin for mucking up the story of my ancestor's midnight ride!), anti-government rhetoric (sedition) and pills between the knees (neo-Puritanism). For being cowed, "conservatives" seem to bellow more like angry bulls than suffer in silence.

My ancestors were considered traitors by the Crown and the Kings Men because they had progressive ideas about a republic free of tyranny. I rather like how their ideas worked out!

On the head Bren.

These people pervert history and economics. They would have done everything possible to trip up the founding fathers, because the revolt would have threatened their sense of security.

@Bren
"My ancestors were considered traitors by the Crown and the Kings Men because they had progressive ideas about a republic free of tyranny."

Funny, sounds exactly like the Tea Party of today as the challenge Obama and the democratic party (ie Crown and kings men). Weren't the founders of our countries considered filled with anti-government rhetoric (sedition)? The same labels that you are placing on the Tea Party. You might be on the opposite side of your ancestors.

@Dirk
Read the declaration of independence. Many of the problems listed within that document are the same objections that the Tea Party is raising.

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States."

Including such things not passing a budget in three years, even with control of the congress. Passing a healthcare that public doesn't support and with zero transparency. The law included the addition of thousands IRS agents to probe into America lives. EO's that have cancelled out immigration laws that are in place via elected officials. The creation of countless czars that have the abilities only granted to elected officials. Putting political pressure on judges that could effect the outcome of cases. A justice department that preventing states from enacting Voter ID laws approved the Supreme Court. A Justice department not prosecuting voter intimidation.

Need I say more.

Schmidt - Your snivelings certainly do not rise to the level of revolution against a despotic monarchy across the ocean. You are now an American, for better or worse. When things are not going well economically, or we plain do not like the President, should we take up arms and fight against the "oppressors". Your response seems way, way overblown that you are some poor, misunderstood, unrepresented subject of a tyrannical regime. There are elections now, and the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, and a great national history. And the government you abhor is actually composed of your own party, often in the majority.

You seem to propose an overthrow of our current government, when there are democratic alternatives within our system, specifically designed to give you and your values voice and appropriate power. Yet, frankly, your goal, by comparing your grievances to those of the American revolutionaries, seems to be treasonous. In other words, you feel the system has failed because the Tea Party is not getting its way, and extreme measures must be taken, similar to the war with Britain to our freedom as Americans.

Your comments are really over the top and overreaching. The Tea Party is not patriotic just by comparing itself to 1776. It is just another disgruntled minority within a magnificent system, if not perfect.

How dare you compare your Party's percieved slights to our Nation's founding.

How pompous.

@Dirk
Not unlike the other liberals here on patch and country wide, you are unable to argue a point without inserting false accusations in order to prop up your already weak stance. Please find for me any quote I used that would suggest I was in favor of "overthrow of our current government" by not using "democratic alternatives within our system". Also, please find within this blog or any other blog which I was suggesting "we take up arms and fight".

Were the Founders upset with the system or the tyrannical rule of the king? As you would understand by reading, they were upset with the abuses of the king under the British system. If you could read, you would understand that I am not against the system, but rather the abuses of the president against the system. The Tea Party is the same way, it loves the system but hates those currently in charge of its destruction. Unlike the occupy movement, the Tea Party is not built on anarchy.

I love the Bill of Rights, let see how the liberals feel. 1st amendment - Libs introduced the Fairness Act to restricted speech. 2nd amendment - Which party is anti-gun, mine or yours? 4th amendment - Obama in favor of drones spying on US citizens. Then we could go on to the republican passage of the 14th, but my point is proven before we get that far.

Lastly, no Tea Party has come against all taxation; reduced, yes. Rather, they are anti-spending. Please make note of that difference, you look foolish otherwise.

Schmidt - Of course you are not stating expressly that the Tea Party should revolt violently against the evil American President. You're too cautious and vague for that.
But direct quotes are not necessary, courts have convicted on circumstantial and inferential evidence for centuries.
We have a bunch of Tea Party members stockpiling weapons and ammunition and bloggers comparing their Tea Party grievances to the Colonists case against the King in declaring their independence from that government ruling America at the time. The Revolutionary War was actually more a civil war, with citizens rebelling against their rulers, and the nation split into pro-British and rebel contingents.
We have bloggers right here on Patch believing citizens should have equal access to any type of heavy weaponry the government chooses to have in its arsenal.
We really are becoming knee-deep in gunpowder, and bloggers and commenters stiking flint to steel. And if people are not affected by bloggers and commenters, then what is everyone doing on Patch, talking to themselves?

And if people are not affected by bloggers and commenters, then what is everyone doing on Patch, talking to themselves?

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Pretty much.

@Dirk
Again nothing but accusations based on zero facts. You addressed nothing I asked and instead continued on with your fear mongering and hate. Only proving my statement I made that you are unable to argue your point based on the facts at hand.

I understand your position though. Liberals must lie to themselves in order to accept their own political stance.

@Dirk -

Most of the commentators here are advocating for a revolution, or change, via the exorcizing of one's right to vote in the upcoming elections.

You can assume and infer whatever you wish, but it only ends up making you look like the ass in the end!

Good day!

AWD - What powers has the American government extended far beyond its Constitutional limits today? The Loyalists in the Revolutionary War were also attacked by American Patriots for their ultra-conservative stand on being British patriots.
"Mindless abuse" received by the modern day Tea Party? You mean when someone just disagrees with your views, and you want them to be forced to stop? King George had the same reactionary feelings about rebellious Colonialists.
Isn't the "corrupt central government" partly Republican, or even mostly, as with the House of Representatives and the Supreme Ct.? The most corruption seems to be with corporate lobbyists and rich people buying elections, things you advocate.
Just because a group like the Tea Party is criticized does not make it the same as the American Patriots during the Revollutionary War. That same logic would mean anyone grossly criticised is an American Patriot, like Obama and Democrats. Not sure when Obama sor Black Caucus said the Tea Party were "criminals, violent
people, and they hated the country." Quotes?
I do not expect AWD to have a broad historical perspective to understand that the Tea Party today is not the Tea Party of Revolutionary America. What do your outbursts about the modern day Tea Party being "uniformly peaceful and law-abiding" have to do with the original Tea Party and revolutionary America. They were not peaceful and law-abiding, but the Loyalists generally were.

AWD, the tyranny of the Crown a bit more extreme than the 1%'s stranglehold on our economy, but much in the same vein. The Crown could force you to billet the soldiers and mercenaries who were brought in to suppress the growing unrest. The Colonials struggled against a leader who saw their labors and the resources of the land as cash cows to be exploited. The King's Men were afraid of change, of retribution, because there will always be people of little imagination or courage among us; people who need obvious, strong father/authority leadership because their brains are literal-minded, incapable of fathoming abstract concepts or shades of complexity. Instinctively they follow the loudest, most insistent voice without considering where that path leads.

(It is excellent GOP strategy in building up candidates as father-figures, "strong leaders." That's why so many left-brain types struggle with the slogan "Hope and Change," because it is an invitation to consider what's possible [abstract] rather than being instructed in what is or what shall be [obvious]. Also why the Christian concept of Jesus as a "Shepherd" leading flocks has gained more of a foothold than the immeasurable/magnificent concept of "I am what I am.")

This blog was like Chick-fil-A chicken nuggets: A substance with questionable and unsavory composition, but supposedly consisting of a chicken, and nuggets, in this case, nuggets of wisdom from the progressive commenters.

JB (1)

[From the London Olympics]

I think it is morally wrong to hold and espouse beliefs that have their genesis in prejudice, hatred, bigotry, and ignorance that deny fellow human beings their full basic rights and dignity, particularily when they are based upon a book that began some 1500BC, had over 40 authors, some anonymous, some lost, but all “divinely inspired.” In America, we enshrine these people and their beliefs in religious institutions (real businesses that contribute no taxes to the Republic and only offer pernicious, retched hate dogma to our citizens)

Social change is always excruciatingly slow in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA – primarily due to the male-dominated, Christian, conservative, primordial mindset…

BLACK MALES got the right to vote [15th Amendment] in 1870.

WOMEN finally got the right to vote – 50 years later – [19th Amendment] in 1920.

There are major differences between having a state legislature create a law – often at their own peril from the rapacious religious right – having the governor sign it into law – also at peril from the same group, and having a POPULAR VOTE – such as the forthcoming referendums in Maryland, Maine, Washington and Minnesota on November 6, 2012. My post was CLEARLY directed to the asinine assertion that “31 states, by POPULAR VOTE, rejected SSM.”

It is apparent that you simply do not understand that major difference...

JB (2)

[From the London Olympics]

The fights in the four states will be taking place against the backdrop of Supreme Court challenges to DOMA – a law that presents severe complications to state-based laws. There will also be the challenge to California's Proposition 8. [Passed by 504,479 out of 10,271,399 votes on November 5, 2008] A response to the petition from the Supreme Court to review Prop 8 is due August 31, 2012…

The trajectory of the Pro-SSM curve is clearly against the Pre-Neanderthals…

Further, the only real objection to SSM is a religious one – find a true SSM opponent who does not also believe SSM is SINFUL, according to their religion – which is an entirely inappropriate basis for laws in a free society…

Moreover, most bans were passed when opposition to SSM was much stronger, and SSM opponents had targeted constitutional amendments for votes in states where support for SSM was weakest.

Ever feel like an analog watch in a digital age?

JB

[From the London Olympics]

You do not have the right to have your convoluted, mind-numbing, and biased verbiage go unquestioned and unchallenged…

[Rafalca – an annual $77,000 tax deduction – finished 28th today, well out of contention for anything… just like Robme on November 6th]

Marriage is, indeed, both a social and a legal contract between (2) human beings, recognized by the state as being capable of VOLUNTARILY entering into a legal contract; given that, it is somewhat dubious, if not psychotic [aka: Rick Santorum] that your pet gerbil would ever be seen by the state, as being capable of entering into a voluntary contract, much less a marriage contract.

Consequently, your moot argument (bestiality diversion) – where hate-mongering, religious, conservatives always go to stir the emotional pot – is dead.

Further, you will not find many of the rights that we enjoy today explicitly enumerated in our 4-page Constitution , as many of our rights are, what the Supremes call “implicit” rights. The Supreme Court has historically ruled that marriage is a civil right Loving v. Virginia, (1967-unanamous vote); the Constitution guarantees that right, at least, under the “equal protection clause” and under the “due process clause.”

November 6 will give us a president; it will not resolve the SSM issue: the Supreme Court will.

I somehow feel confident that YOU thought the Supremes would find the PPACA unconstitutional too…

@John Wilson
You however are not challenging my thought you are insulting me and my beliefs as being sub-human in an attempt to shut me up with out having to prove your point.

The Supreme Court also said in Maynard v. Hill that "Marriage, as creating the most important relation in life, as having more to do with the morals and civilization of a people than any other institution, has always been subject to the control of the legislature." Also, the judges of the 1960's wrote Loving v. Virginia to stop states from banning interracial marriage and I can easily assume that those men had no intention of also including gay marriage in their judgement.

I enjoy how took up the animal rights argument. By blowing it off only shows your complete inability to make a logical argument. Our history is full of things that weren't acceptable and now are (ie homosexuality); yet, all of a sudden animal rights are completely impossible. Why? A judge in Cali just took a case for animal rights, PETA v. Sea World. While the judge ruled in favor of Sea World, the fact that it was heard is a start for animal rights. Just like how all other unacceptable issues move their way through our courts. They just need a willing judge.

Yet, you ignored the rest, most likely because you have no ability to defend the social aspect of the destruction of marriage and nuclear family.

Did you believe the Supreme Court was all-knowing and wise when they ruled that corporations were people?