@Randy - Not sure I understand your comment? It's Friday and I might be a little slow ... sorry.

Heather--I believe that is one of the Randy1949 impersonators, and not the true Patch member that we know as Randy1949 (Randy has a unique picture that shows up next to his name). The imposter's posts should be deleted and he should be banned from the site.

This is the 'real' Randy1949.

http://brookfield-wi.patch.com/users/randy1949

The guy that posted above is not him.

Yes, Heather, that is not me -- the one who has been posting here for a bout a year and a half and has a slew of comments to my name.

Mini-Me is right, though. Across our nation, 'patriots' are finding ways to keep from giving their employees health insurance. And so it goes.

Randy1949 that reason is simple . Business has to meet a payroll, bay the bills , comply with over bearing regulations and taxes. If they can expand and be profitable they do . Unfortunately, when they cant WE are currently seeing the results. The economy has slowed in the aftermath of Obama's spending spree. It didnt work because it doesnt change the fundamentals . We are merely adding more takers than makers to government entitlements and that is a death spiral . Because the Makers are retreating because its not profitable to grow in this environment . Its common sense if you ever ran anything in the real world .Private business is what creates wealth . It is not a welfare program . It has to pay its expenses , taxes , and overheard. But unlike the Federal Government it cant succeed in the RED. Failure is only an option for government .It doesn't work like that in the REAL world .

@skinnyDude -- I'm not sure whether you were answering the imposter or me. Businesses have expenses, but to make any money they need a customer base. The more your customer base is impoverished through increased cost of living, lower wages, medical bankruptcies, etc. the less you're going to sell. Period.

Moving full-time workers over to part-time status to avoid paying benefits is an older tactic than just recently. It may improve the bottom line, but it does no good for the economy.

Mini-Me is right, though. Across our nation, 'patriots' are finding ways to keep from giving their employees health insurance. And so it goes.

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And if they don't, who fills the pools you're relying on to, supposedly, make health insurance affordable for you?

Don't pretend this wasn't part of the plan from the start. And don't pretend you aren't happy to see it come off as planned.

The Real Randy1949 wrote:
"...Businesses have expenses, but to make any money they need a customer base. The more your customer base is impoverished through increased cost of living, lower wages, medical bankruptcies, etc. the less you're going to sell. Period.

Moving full-time workers over to part-time status to avoid paying benefits is an older tactic than just recently. It may improve the bottom line, but it does no good for the economy..."

True Randy, but businesses, like people, have to look out for themselves. Cutting expenses, no matter how undesirable, makes the different between success and bankruptcy. My boss isn't interested in helping businesses in California survive. He is interested in making his business survive. And it is my job to help make his business successful so that I can continue to get a paycheck.

I have suspended two new phony Randy1949 accounts created by the pulchritudinous prevaricator, whomever he or she may be. May he/she rot.

It wasn't me, but I say good for you Jim Price.

I say you suspend them all. They are all phony. ;)

@Jim Price -- Thank you.

@Luke -- -___-

My company's health insurance renewal came in with a 24% increase for 2013 and there is a 28% increase expected for 2014. A family of 4, on our plan, will cost $3170 more for 2013 and $7760 more than 2012, for 2014. I paid 100% of the premium, until now, and the employees were upset last year because I had to increase the deductible, they are in for a shocker this year.

Yes Greg, those are considered Obamacare savings. Up is down, black is white, and an increase is a decrease, comrade.

We can all thank Lyle, Randy, Bren, Heather and the like for Greg's real word example.

Just wait until you drop them and they go on a state exchange. Oh the horror you will face.

@ Hoffa .....Obama used that talking point 4 years ago ....Cut waste , fraud and abuse . The only thing he cut was JOBS and the only thing he grew was GOVERNMENT .I am Hoping Walker opts out of ObamaCare as many states will. The Democrats wrote the FLAWED law to our benefit so Wisconsin still has the option of opting out of this . We already have Badger Care.....No need to cripple business. In fact, Business would find Wisconsin a lot more attractive if we Just say NO to ObamaCare and dont set up the exchanges. .

So all it's going to take is for us 'little people' to see that and agree to work for China wages and no benefits. Right?

Gotta make those makers happy.

Very simple ....It is a world economy. If you dont make Reward outweigh the RISK . Why would business do it . Obama has demonized business and they dont trust him on the economy , taxes or regulation. That has forced theyre hand and anyone paying attention KNEW this would occur .It was not a secret . Its now put them in survival mode instead of growth mode. Thats bad for everyone. Business is not a welfare program ...it is a bet. It is pretty clear you are likely a worker and not the person signing the checks . Its not a government program ....Its a system of winners and losers . A lot of them go under and some struggle and some thrive. We need as many as possible to THRIVE but Obama has made that a losing proposition . Dont kill the messenger. This is what is going to occur.

In a sense, that is exactly what will have to happen. We are now in a labor market that includes nearly all countries on Earth. Hopefully, the 'China wages' will rise up a bit before that happens though...

No, you shuld not have to make the makers happy. Pay yourself whatever wage you think you deserve. Give yourself benefits, make them really good. The more you need, the more you get. Why the heck should makers, like Hank Rearden, be the only ones to reap the rewards of their inventions?

Yes, Greg. Cite me that incredibly realistic book.

I thought you would like that. :)

The Real Randy1949 wrote: "So all it's going to take is for us 'little people' to see that and agree to work for China wages and no benefits. Right?

Gotta make those makers happy."

Actually the makers would like nothing better than do business here in the good 'ol USA. B.O. and the Democrats keep making it harder year after year.

Really? List all these new taxes and regulations that have made it so hard to do business in the US.

@Randy . Lets start with the ELEPHANT in the room . ObamaCare is a Tax that is forcing small businesses to make suvival choices . One is to cut hours and two is to cut people .They will opt for what gives them the best hope to survive in a dead economy. Pay the fine aka as TAX PENALTY.
Reality is business doesnt want to lose good people and provide benefits if they can reach a level of success to afford them . But if they cant avoid all the taxes and penalties they have to make a FINANCIAL decision . It isnt a about punishing the people in the business ...its about tying to stay a float in a shit economy .
2nd Obama says it clearly. Increase taxes on top of the obama care penalt to anyone individual at 200k a year or couple at 250k a year, A lot of people run businesses our in that very BOAT. The money that could help them grow the economy now goes to the government? Are u really this uninformed. I seriously doubt you ever ran even a lemonade stand. In a down Economy Obama has doubled down on punishing the only people who can save the economy. It will not work cause it lacks the incentive to grow and moves business into survival mode. You really lack common sense in this area. I mean seriously. Get a clue!

The elephant in the room is the skyrocketing cost of healthcare overall and a system that is falling apart of its own weight and inefficiency.

If providing health insurance is such a burden on business, perhaps we should do away with it entirely. I'm willing to go on as I am, if you're willing to give up your health coverage. Think of the money you'd be saving your boss and the consumer!

What always amazes me is that people assume a 'liberal' has never run a business or doesn't understand how the taxes work. I agree with the President that corporate taxes should be lower. But then I hear how some people run small businesses at the personal rate. But I know how that works, you see.

Randy1049 = Judging from your responses ..You just dont undersand how Capitalism works . IT ONLY GAVE US THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. We need to get back to that concept , but tinker with the formula as it is a world economy now . Economic Growth is the only thing that can save this nation .

No, skinny, it only gave some people the highest standard of living in the world. It also gave us things like share-cropping, the 'company store', the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire, the Great Depression, and unions.

It was Progressivism that gave us the healthy middle class.

The real Randy1949 wrote: "...it only gave some people the highest standard of living in the world. ..."

No Randy, it gave ALL of us a higher standard of living. Even out poor have better lives than those in the rest of the world. Remember B.O.'s brother in Kenya? He makes something like $10/month and lives in a shack.

It is better to be poor here than middle class in many other countries.

Or maybe, just maybe, our high standard of living had something to do with the fact that we had an entire continent with almost untouched natural resources to exploit, and a society where all the land and wealth were not controlled by a hereditary elite. Do we want to head back to the system that most of us left Europe to avoid?

The Real Randy1949 wrote: "...Or maybe, just maybe, our high standard of living had something to do with the fact that we had an entire continent with almost untouched natural resources to exploit..."
No, business owners are just smarter than you give them credit for.

The Real Randy1949 wrote: "... Do we want to head back to the system that most of us left Europe to avoid?..."
You, B.O., and the other Liberals have all been pushing the Socialist system MANY Americans came over to avoid.

We've seen that federal and state laws can be overturned. We wouldn't have had them without the unions. We might need unions again.

Wasn't Todd Akin in favor of repealing the minimum wage?

Minimum wage need o be eliminated for anyone without a High school diploma. Minimum wage has killed a lot of minority youth employment. Sadly , If people drop out of High school they pretty much drop out of the work force. Almost no one will hire someone without a high school diploma . So who does that effect the most ? Minorities in the city. Hence, without any chance of employment to acquire the skills needed to become a successful member of society we see far to many trapped in the criminal justice system. Without the minimum wage we would provide jobs, structure, skills and a stronger future for the people in this situation. The minimum wage for people without any skills disqualifies them from the american dream. Why not give them the right to work for what they agree too and than attain the skills for a better future a reality. Liberal thinking kills futures.

@Marty
A dead economy with 4 straight years trillion dollar deficits under Obama is not where we want to be. The fiscal cliff is near and expanding government and shrinking the economy is bad news for the USA . The sun will shine .......and we will see in the light of day a declining and weakening future. Thats not the America I grew up in. But for future generations the future is not sunk but it certainly has a few more nails in the coffin unless Obama becomes a Capitalist. That is not going to happen . He is more worried about his golf score than the american people.

BTW, "pulchritudinous prevaricator?"

How about "factitious fabulist?"

LOL

Yes, this is the policy on many message boards and websites as well. It's something to think about.

As for 'pulchritudinous' prevaricator -- O_O That comes as quite a surprise to someone who knows the definition of 'pulchritudinous'.

Personally I saw no related experience (not even in the converse) that a vulture capitalist could bring to the economic table to lower debt and increase jobs at home.

Bren: Making the Olympics work is a sign of a successful problem solver. Buying a business that is going in the tank and on the verge of bankruptcy is not exactly 'vulture' capitalism. Romney is crtisized for outsourcing jobs. Don't you think he may know what could keep jobs here also? I am sure Obama hasn't a clue as he has done nothing to save any jobs other than create Government jobs.
Now the real test will be if Romney steps up and helps the Country desptite his loss.
Will Obama accept the help?

@ Craig . Obama is like the know it all we all knew at work. He has a high opinion of himself.. But when you match up his skill set with the job results. He has failed the economy miserably. I suspect that will continue as he likely will continue his extreme left wing agenda which will only further kill the economy, jobs and revenues. I truly hope I am wrong, but I am bearish on the economy. It dont take a rocket scientist to figure out Business is retreating from this economy. Survival Mode is not growth. Its a very bad sign. We need the economy to grow about 3% a year no matter who is President if we expect to turn this around. I am not holding my breathe . GDP is declining from last year to this year. So a smaller economy with less jobs and lowered revenues is the reality. I hope It turns around but that would take a HUGE pivot from the President to address the reality over his death spiral agenda.

@Glendale Dad
Than why would Obama lie to the american people and say he reduced them .? . You need a system that works. Business signaled long ago the adverse effects of ObamaCare. The Obama administration gave out tons of waivers because of it. This was not a surprise. This was the known reality to a President the demonized business, is anti energy, and is over bearing on regulation . The result is a sputtering economy going backwards after he blew a Trillion dollars on Nonsense and political paybacks. Business merely is pulling back because they have been forced into survival mode instead of growth mode. A lot of them waited because Romney was pro Capitalism and growth and energy. Now that road is closed ......so will a lot of business be closed. Seriously,if you are surprised you have had your head in the sand.

@skinnyDUDE

It was either Bob M. or Jay S. that rightly mentioned that the average person has yet to understand what the affect of ObamaCare will be. Only the largest businesses understood a year ago, and the smaller ones understood only recently, if at all. As planned by the Administration, it was $5,000 more than anyone understood. The cost will grow and grow as business take the only way out in order to be competitive.

Obama owns this economy as his solution was the Failed Stimulus, greater regulation, higher taxes and a crippling energy policy. I would not bet against American Ingenuity but it doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to see the economy is heading in the wrong direction because of Obama's Awful mismanagement.