CYNTHIA
RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Vicki, I've used this quote before too: "Not all liberal women are fat pigs, but most fat pigs are liberal women".

Gee how WITTY!! Just like you!!! FAT PIG.

OCR, this is an adult forum. What makes you think it's acceptable to call someone a fat pig? I think you could use a time out.

I think oak creek was just demonstrating how inappropriate it was for Vicki to post her 'stupid people are conservatives' comment...

Ok, if that's how you want to see it. On a scale of "inappropriateness", I think you can see the difference. Either way, the "she started it" routine lost it's validity on the playground in 4th grade.

Perhaps you have a point, but with Vicki's habit of throwing stones at the 'other side' rather than engaging in an actual discussion of the article/issues, I have little sympathy when someone chooses to throw stones back at her...

Nothing like doubling down after you've stepped in it.

Ok jason, so if lowering taxes and red tape is BAD for business, then your lib logic dictates that businesses want higher taxes and more red tape!?!?!

The only anger and hate that I see around here involves the author of the article...

@Bob McB -

More like doubling down on both sides of a split!

Jason:

"Even though the FBI is hot on Walker's tail..."

"Will you still "Stand With Walker" when he is sitting in County Jail and facing felony charges? Will you still vote for Walker during the recall election even if he cannot himself cast a ballot because he is a felon? "

Isn't it a bit libelous to make your 'guilty by association' statements about Walker? Does your 'sarcasm' defense mean that the Patch policy about prohibiting defamatory comments doesn't apply?

If Walker is charged with a crime, please feel free to post about it, but I don't think it is appropriate to made statements that paint Walker as a felon when no charges have been brought against him.

Jason - a sense a little "walker derangement syndrome" better go to the doctor, you are a donk.

@CowDung--The statement can't be libelous in legal terms because Scott Walker is a public figure.

Jason, we could have gained quite a few if the dems hadn't nixed the mining jobs. You do realize that it is the left that has made Wisconsin the laughing stock of the nation don't you?

Furthermore, I note that you repeatedly referring to the Governor as an “*ss-clown” within the posted video that you “wrote, directed and performed.”

First of all, I find it surprising that Patch would allow you to post a video using such language.

Second of all, in view of the fact that “*ss-clown” may be defined (by the Urban Dictionary) as “a person who, while making a serious attempt at something, fails to realize what a complete fool he has made of himself,” and in further view of the fact that you insult the Governor’s wife and children with your poor attempt at humor while failing to realize your own foolishness, I ask you: who here is truly deserving of this definition?

Perhaps you should re-phrase the question that you ask of your “S&M-loving neighbors”: “Will you still "Stand With Walker" when he is sitting in County Jail and facing felony charges, or will you stand with Jason as he hurls insults at Walker’s wife and children?

Really, who here is truly deserving of wearing an “*ss-hat” (the preferred wardrobe of *ss-clowns everywhere)?

I'm surprised that anyone even watched the videos attached to this trash!

Wasn't reading this diatribe torture enough?

WOW. Tartarowicz took it to a fellow lib. Evil turns on itself.

At least David can put forth a point; I'll agree with him on that.

David: A man of integrity! Even though we are on opposite sides of the tracks, you show character.

Or it might get him a job, depending on what type of field he is interested in. Employers are also interested in conceptualization and analytical skills, persuasive writing skills, etc., at least in my sphere. Many colleagues in the field are involved in political and other philanthropic initiatives--it brings numerous vantage points to the table and ensures insight into what's "going on in town," so to speak.

And it's interesting that you suggest that Jason would be "prone to voicing extreme opinions, etc.," in a work setting. You have nothing to base this on!

@Bren: yes I do have evidence. This blog post. So you have tools to evaluate a prospects fit:

1) Resume
2) Interview
3) References
4) Background check
5) Credit Rating(yes, if you have a crappy credit rating it's the sign of an irresponsible individual)
6) Search the internet.

For every one place this blog post might help there are a 1000 others that would steer clear of him. It's hard enough finding a job these days, why hamper your chances with a useless blog post? If nothing else it shows to me an extreme lack of judgment and understanding the concept of risk/reward. There is a permanent record on the internet of your actions until the end of time. This post will never go away. I hate to see a person do this to themselves.

235301, you have nothing on which to base your assertion that Jason brings/would bring his personal political views to work. Anyway, by the time a potential employer reached the point of examining his internet usage, the conversation about "outside interests" would likely have taken place. If anything, this would make him stand out among the herd!

Bren, don't be a dope. Anyone who works with Jason knows what they are getting into. How naive of you!

Bren, why don't you prove 235301 wrong and help Jason get a job from within your "sphere"? Or better yet, offer him a job yourself. Obviously he's demonstrated the kind of qualities you look for in a person. You and your "sphere" may be unique in that regard and it's possible he might not stumble across a group of such insightful potential employers elsewhere.

Bren:

What is the difference between Jason's comments and Limbaugh's comments? You have posted comments objecting to the remarks made by Limbaugh towards the law student. You have also excused Jason's insults towards Walker's family as "deliberately provocative."

Are Limbaugh's comments not "deliberately provocative?" His whole show is deliberately provocative, which is why I refuse to listen to him and the other partisan hacks (Beck, Schultz et al) that rely on such provocation to garner ratings.

So, per your logic:

Jason insulting the Governor's family is permissible as deliberately provocative.
Limbaugh insulting the law student is not, despite being deliberately provocative?

What's up with that?

I would hire him to clean my toilets.

I would just point out that 235301's initial post could be construed as an attempt to bully Jason. 235301 (which I suspect is not his/her real name) presents her/himself as a "job creator" and we'll take her/him at her word (the luxury of anonymity possibly precludes the need for the tact most employers of my acquaintance typically exhibit).

I point out in turn that 1) There is absolutely no evidence, in any posting, to suggest that Jason would bring unsolicited political views to work; and 2) Depending upon the type of employer/industry, his political interests are indicative of a lively, informed mind, which could be appreciated by members of the creative class. Certainly he would be an excellent candidate for a political organization.

My presence and views on Patch are self-confined to a narrow topic area. Like some here, I choose to comment anonymously and limit the amount of personal information I reveal.

Patchreader, please revisit Jason's post. There are numerous qualifiers throughout his narrative ("seems to," "probably" etc). I see one isolated instance, where taken out of context, could be misconstrued as a name call. In context, it is a qualified statement.

The difference between Limbaugh and Jason is that Limbaugh is a highly paid entertainer. People who perceive him to be an information source do themselves no service, in my opinion.

Limbaugh periodically ramps up his shock-jock narrative to boost ratings, and this latest is just one more marketing ploy. I do believe he miscalculated on this one, but am cynical enough to believe that advertisers and radio stations may eventually be enticed back into the fold, if the returns are good enough.

The true question is, who hires Rush Limbaugh? What are the priorities, ratings/USD or being the social conscience of America?

Jason has posted an article, for which I do not believe he was paid. The contrast of two men is this: one writes from his heart and the other is a paid entertainer.

I will agree with you that Jason's articles are definitely worth what he is payed to write them...

Bren:

What does income have to do with values? I denounce BOTH Patzfahl and Limbaugh based upon the values each display.

Simply put, I would not want ANY insulting comments directed towards my family, which I will always protect. Thus, I would NOT direct insulting comments towards anyone else's family.

It thus appears that you, Jason and I have different value systems.

Good luck with that.

Here we go again with our double standards. Where was the outcry when liberals were name-calling conservative and liberal women.

Unacceptable: Rush Limbaugh referring to the Georgetown student as a "whore" because she claimed to have purchased so many condoms.

Acceptable: Any slurring of conservative women by liberal commentators.

"Liberal comedian Bill Maher has used obscene words before to smear Sarah Palin. "Joy Behar, a liberal co-host of ABC's "The View," trashed GOP senate candidate Christine O'Donnell as a "witch who doesn't masturbate" and called another GOP candidate Sharron Angle a "b****" who will "go to hell."

"MSNBC's Keith Olbermann used this lovely phrase to describe conservative writer Michelle Malkin: a "mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it.""

"Last week Bristol Palin was the victim of verbal abuse by a 47-year-old heckler who called her “white trash” and her mother Sarah Palin a “whore.” During a trip to the Saddle Ranch Chop House on the Sunset Strip in Los Angeles, the 20-year-old rode a jerky mechanical bull for several minutes before falling to the floor. Before Bristol got to her feet, Stephen Hanks, as identified by TMZ, yelled, “Did you ride Levi [Johnston] like that? Your mother’s a whore.”"

And more..........

Patchreader, What has income to do with values? The two are not mutually exclusive. However, if one is being paid to be provocative that has little to do with "values" (a la Limbaugh) and all to do with employment income.

I perceive Rush Limbaugh to be a persona. I have never met the man, I cannot speak to how much of his personality is immersed in his character. That's why, no matter how personally repulsive I find many of his remarks, I don't comment because 1) I don't know the extent to which these are his views or scripted; 2) It's a free country and there's obviously a market share for his brand of entertainment; and 3) I don't have to listen to him. I was surprised to learn that he broadcasts on the Armed Forces Network.

And personally, insulting the families of public figures isn't my cup of tea but scrutiny and the occasional insult does come with the territory of being in the public eye. I seem to recall Hilary and Chelsea Clinton were not treated very well in the press, for example. Fortunately, civility has improved since for the families of George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

You know that I always try to promote civil discourse and the spirit of cooperation. Who knows, if we figure it out here, perhaps we could offer an online seminar for our government representatives!

Personally, I'm a Michael Savage kinda guy myself, as I'm not really into the provoking shock-jocks.

Mr. Hoffa, I'm not familiar with Michael Savage. Since Clear Channel shut down beloved WFMR a few years back, I rarely listen to Milwaukee radio, with the exception of Radio Milwaukee and occasional WMSE.

@Bren -

I was actually being facetious - Savage is probably one of the most provocative. He's good entertainment and I do enjoy listening to him occasionally. Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqYW1-NzZNE

Other syndicated favorites are Alex Jones and Neal Boortz. Locally, Vicki McKenna's my gal!

@JRH, I was spinning the AM dial one evening looking for something to listen to when I came across this radio host (Savage) who was talking to a person who lived in Florida. They were talking about a guy in New York who had bilked all these rich greedy individuals and families in Palm Beach out of millions of dollars. They described him in detail and how he would hold court to all these people at a restaurant, promising them riches beyond their wildest dreams. I wrote the culprits name down and was going to check the next day if I could find out who this individual was. The media beat me to it, Bernie Madoff was caught.

@mau -

It's really too bad that Savage's pundit TV show didn't make it beyond one episode, as I definitely would have been a loyal viewer :-)

@JRH, I get tired and brain drained listening to commentators like Schultz and Limbaugh. But a steady stream of Savage would put me in a straight jacket :) But I tell you, that night, listening to those two, was quite an eye opener.

Democrats win polls not elections Bren, I too claim Wisconsin as my home state, personally I would whisk away all of you union goons/stooges/thugs to Illinois where you belong, but it will take time. Please start looking at homes in Illinois while the property values are depressed, I think you would be much more happy down there.

Alfred, you've thrown down the "Democrats win polls not elections," slogan before, without success. I believe someone already gently pointed out to you that we have a Democratic President. Those types of partisan slogans really don't work in a mixed room.

And that "love it or leave it" stuff is just so old, stale, old. I prefer to fix problems, not run away from them.

Bren I am fully convinced you get a nickel every time you write ALEC or Koch.

Nate the Hate, there were articles that mentioned the Koch brothers in Saturday and Monday's MSJ. Perhaps they keep getting mentioned because they have immersed themselves in Wisconsin politics...

Hey Bren, does your pea sized brain grasp the concept that the "evil" Koch brothers own billions of property in Wisconsin(meaning they pay more property tax than you will in your lifetime) and they employ 4000 people(meaning the put food on the table of 4000 families), don't you think since they have that much invested in Wisconsin they should be able to voice who they want as leadership?

Good God you liberals are simpletons.

Alfred, why did you put the word "evil" in quotation marks? I do not believe the Koch brothers have been imbued with mystical attributes. And more name calling, insulting peas. Why do some people try to make a political discourse personal? As a child I was taught that the loss of sang froid proves a weak argument. That insight has served me well in my life.

Now, I am well aware of the Koch brothers' financial presence in this state and others. They have lobbyists in Madison to represent their interests, they moved in right after Scott Walker was elected. Yes, they employ and lay off workers in Wisconsin. Does that give them more right than in-state companies to manipulate Wisconsin's laws and citizens to promote their multi-state cookie-cutter ALEC agenda here? No. Other states with ALEC governors, such as Ohio, are also resisting the agenda. Their state laws allowed them to bypass their governor and repeal his anti-union bill. We don't have that option here so we have to address the source of the problem through recall. The governor of Minnesota has stated that he will not sign ALEC bills.

There's a big picture to consider, Alfred.

So according to Bren if you are successful and grow a company outside of state lines, you should have no say in the business climate. Who said they have more of a voice? You have zero proof to back any of your pie in the sky claims up. [link]insert liberal blog[/link]

Bren which part of the government do you work?

Steve, I'll invite you to look up my comments here to find a number of links, including an interview with David Koch who stated (I'm paraphrasing) that "we" were working in Wisconsin, spending money in Wisconsin, and more money would be spent in Wisconsin "helping" Scott Walker. A campaign law complaint has been filed, which is currently being responded to by Koch's attorney. I'm sure you have seen enough of my links to know that I rely upon and source the mainstream media, government data, etc. when making statements. Otherwise, what's the fun?

Alfred, I do not work for the government.

OMG no way they donated to his campaign!

Stop the presses breaking news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are no doubt aware of Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s support of Barrett’s gubernatorial aspirations.
http://wispolitics.com/index.Iml?Article=261460

However, are you aware of the fact that Mayor Emanuel has opposed the wishes of Chicago Teacher’s Union by closing 17 Chicago public schools?
http://www.suntimes.com/10832492-417/rahm-emanuel-protests-over-school-closings-noise-associated-with-change.html

Are you also aware of the fact that Mayor Emanuel’s Deputy Mayor is considered by many to be “anti-union?”
http://www.chicagonewscoop.org/deputy-mayor-to-labor-leaders-a-new-sheriff-in-town/

Or that Emanuel has acted against union wishes by firing 625 public employees and seeking to privatize other public services?
http://www.chicagonewscoop.org/emanuel-announces-layoff-notices-privatization-plans/

Perhaps the foregoing facts explain why the Wisconsin unions have asked Barrett to not run for governor?
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/136146378.html

Perhaps the foregoing facts also explain Barrett’s point lead over the other Dem gubernatorial candidates (ambivalence: Barrett v. Walker not unlike Romney vs. Obama)? Are you certain that you want to continue parading Tom Barrett as an example of the non-acceptance by voters of Walker’s policies regarding collective bargaining?

So, carry on hurling insults at the Governor’s family and spending your time creating parody videos. The supporters of Governor Walker may end up thanking you for your efforts.

Actually, it is a thumb - and I am not allowed to say where he slips it into on this forum...people might cry foul and contact the FCC and get their tighty whiteys in a bunch.

Sexist attacks? This lady wants tax payer and insurance dollars to pay for people's sex change operations.

WAIT I GET IT - Jason, being a limp wrist low IQ liberal, really wants that sex changed. But, being a parasitic liberal with no ability, has a crappy job and can't pay for it....

SO, he wants US all to pay for his sex change... ahhh I get it now.

Sorry Jason, cut the boys off by yourself, could probably use an exacto knife or something.

Jason, mere snark. How unfortunate.

The law student testified at a public hearing and thus opened herself up to public criticism. Nonetheless, she was not deserving of insult.

Nor are the spouse and children of one who holds political office.

One day, some other senseless fool may direct insults at your wife and children, based solely upon your own actions. Did this ever occur to you? And when your children attempt to understand why they are the recipients of such uncalled for ridicule, then maybe, just maybe, you'll understand the error of your ways.

At this point, perhaps you WILL indeed apologize - to your children for not setting a proper example in previously not directing your insults at the same recipients as them, namely family. And if you do not have enough sense to set a proper example for the benefit of your children, then you are simply beyond reason.

I wonder why Jason's man panties are all bunched up over his idol BIll Maher calling Sarah Palin the 'c' word? Where is his effeminate outrage over what Sgt Ed Schultz called Laura Ingram? Where is his emascuated outrage over Chris Spittle Matthews calling Hillary Clinton, 'Nurse Rachet"....Jason, you aren't inconsistent are you?

@patchreader 123 -

Very nice commentary!

How is your girl Noelle any different?

@Jrock -

Excuse me - how and why are you bringing Noelle into this?

@Jrock...Why in the hell are you bringing up Noelle and asking JRH how she is doing? I haven't seen her on any of the blogs for several weeks now. Why would he know anyway?

@Jrock -

Just for the record, Noelle Lorraine is of the utmost class, character, and integrity and has never "suck as much off of the teats of taxpayers as possible."

I hope that helps clarify the issue for you!

@Lyle -

Actually, I think that Jrock originally addressed this to Alfred.

BTW - Thanks for giving me a break ;-)

@JRH--I was just illuminating the point that Jason's drivel is no different than Noelle's drivel, just from a different paradigm. Spades is spades my man.

The second part your reply is confusing. Jason has been crushed by commenters, and he has never once stooped to the level of personal attacks that Noelle has leveled at anyone who disagrees. You can just say that you have a crush on her, and drop the class, integrity and character bit. She's a hack, just like Jason.

@Lyle--I'm confused. I don't think you read to well.

@Jrock -

I beg to differ. I don't recall Noelle ever bringing family into the mix the way Jason has done here. Not to mention that Noelle never desecrated a classic from a true American rock legend the way Jason has done to Tom Petty in this blog!

Also, Noelle only ever got personal when it became personal against her, and she actually pointed that out if I recall correctly. Here, a majority of the attacks are aimed at Jason's ideology and actions, and not at him personally - there's a big difference with this spade my friend!

I'm just surprised that you singled out Noelle when there are other conservative bloggers here on Patch that have been far more active recently than Noelle has.

As to my previous statement about Ms. Lorraine - I stand by those assertions to my dying breath as well as into the afterlife!

Ever hear of 'innocent until proven guilty', or does that only apply to those with a 'D' next to their name?

I'd say that the biggest fact showing that Walker is not guilty of being a crook or a felon is that he hasn't been charged with any crimes...

Hey Jason, Mr Walker hasn't been convicted of anything, felony, misdemeanor, whatever. I am sure you are having wet dreams fantazing about this, but it isn't going to happen, so stick to your day job and enjoy driving around your Kia.

Sorry to disagree with your opinion, but I think some evidence came out recently about Wisconsin gaining 15,000 jobs in January. I guess you were just being sarcastic...

Lyle he is doing us all a favor by showing who you liberals really are, I appreciate his honesty and you should too. He is simply a much younger version of you.

@Alfred...Quite honestly he resembles your tactics and should be a clue to you.

@Alfred -

There's no need to lower yourself to Jason's level by personally insulting Lyle, is there?

Mr Hoffa, remember that these people are liberals first, Americans second....it is thier religion.

@Alfred -

I can see this applying to Jason, as clearly he is cut from the Daily Kos cloth.

However, Lyle is more American than you give him credit for. Get to know him a little before you judge. Think of Lyle as the worthy opponent. After all, even Lyle called Jason out on this complete load of a blog. That has to count for something!

Mr Hoffa I dislike all liberals, and I especially dislike wilted flower children baby boomer liberals who have ruined this country, then make themselves wards of the state via social security. I will dance for joy on their graves when the last one is gone.

@Alfred -

I'm no fan of the 'flower children' either - trust me. I'm also not very big on hating anyone - expect for the Kennedys (don't get me started)! Just remember - stereotyping can go both ways:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154528/the-oreilly-factor

Mr Hoffa, I don't hate anyone, but I certainly dislike many from the left and the right. They feel the need to open thier cake holes with opinions, and I can open my pie hole with my opinion. However my generation is certainly getting the short end of the stick having to carry the baby boomers water and fix all of the problems they caused....which will cause me to be filled with glee when every last one of them is in the ground.

@Alfred -

I shouldn't have used the word 'hate' - I apologize for that. I empathize and share many of your frustrations, but also realize that it's not every boomers fault. I choose to assess people individually, as that's the only way in which to gauge the truth of another's character, isn't it? With the exception of the Kennedys - they're pretty much all evil! :-)

@Alfred, you wish me dead. I'm a baby boomer but I was NEVER a "wilted flower children baby boomer liberals who have ruined this country". I was more liberal in my younger years but never approved of or was involved in, the 60's generation free love, rebellion and protesting. I started my far right drift with Reagan. And it escalated with Clinton.

@mau...If you're a "boomer" you'll get blamed for everything negative that has happened to the ones that have followed us. We're all stereotyped as hippies and flower children, whether we were or not. Also, we had to step up and "carry the water" for all the generations proceeding us. We got sandwiched between our aging parents and adult children. Many of us have had to also raise our grand children.

Now our futures are going to be determined by people who detest us because our parents created the largest population cohort in this nation's history. Most of us were responsible and limited the number of children we had. Thus, there isn't enough of a following cohort to carry our water.

Just think, it's going to be people who criticize and hate us who will be sitting on our death panels. Probably time to take care of our final arraignments. Think "Logan's Run" or "Soylent Green".

Lyle,

Remember, there's strength in numbers. Imagine everything everyone finds annoying about the elderly - now multiply that by about 50 times. The entire nation will be in a constant state of "hurry up and wait" as we clog up grocery store aisles, sidewalks and traffic with our walkers, Rascals and late model champagne colored Buicks. Not to mention the back to back funeral processions as we collectively start to drop like flies.

Vengeance is ours - always.

Darn it Bob, here Lyle had me craving some Soylent Green until you came along with your talk of champagne colored Buicks, Rascals and such - thanks for ruining my appetite ;-)

@Lyle, we may be on opposite sides of the fence politically, but I agree with you 100% here and on other issues. We may have made a lot of mistakes but we also did a lot of good. I will say there are a lot of good citizens in our children's generation too. They are the ones who aren't vocal because they are too busy working and succeeding. But one problem with their generation is they got too much too fast and now expect it and were treated as our equal rather than as our children. And now it is backfiring on us.

I have no intention of going anywhere anytime soon. I have two canes and a toilet riser so I am good to go. And spending so much time at my mother-in-law's new apartment, I am getting a first hand edumacation on how to be a pain in the arse senior.

Glad you mentioned those movies. I need to check Netflix if they are available so I can watch them again. The next generation will have that and Brave New World. I think we will still make it to the drive-up funeral and ashes down the drain stage.

@mau...When the death panel decides it's my time I want them to transport me to the north woods and just leave me there. I'll die of exposure or starve to death and my remains will feed the local flora and fauna. Now that's the way for a tree hugger to go out.

@Lyle -

Reportedly, wildflowers were growing where bodies were once strewn over the ground in and around Jonestown.

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/U1983203/flowers-growing-by-jonestown-pavilion

@JRH...Probably the kool aide.

@Jeremy -

I'm afraid that he is very much for real! Anyone who would alter and desecrate a Tom Petty classic has to be for real, not to mention certifiable!

It wasn't enough crossing the line by dragging Walker's wife and kids into his hate filled world, but he effectively went into overdrive when he brought Tom Petty into it!

Oh, the humanity!!!

Don't get too excited. Even if Walker let's his cronies take the fall for their wrong doing, those folks are too close to him for Walker ever to vetted as presidential.

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.

So, the Hyundai turned into a Kia, and it's still running, eh?

Still can't spring for something that's union built though?

Jason gets more creepy every time he opens his filthy mouth...God bless anyone who lives next to this cretin.

@CowDung -

Loving the Master Yoda!

►Once the GOP keeps their hands off of other people's bodies, I will keep my vindictive words to myself◄

http://tinyurl.com/72vqflc