Thanks for secretly changing the badly worded headline and making my comment look stupid...

No, your comment still makes sense. Based on the revision it's still going to be a very hard process for the signature collectors. They'll have to become adept at kicking stacks of them along the sidewalk to the place where they turn them in.

150 signatures, not 1000...

Yes, you are correct, but if there are over 1000 other folks collecting signatures with the intent to shred them, then there is a potential of 1000 sigs (more--or less) being discarded and their voices not heard!

Those involved will be found out--if not today, then tomorrow. This man sounds sincere and my guess he will talk to avoid jail/fines and further disgrace.

I applaud him for coming forward.

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CowDung

5:11pm on Wednesday, November 16, 2011

150 signatures, not 1000...

So where are these 1000 people? Why were so many people only able to collect 150 signatures?

As I said earlier, I think that this guy is more talk than action. I'd be surprised if there were really 1000 people stupid enough to be involved in this.

It most likely means that this guy was just talking out of his bum, and there is really nobody else involved...

Actually, if you re-read the article, they are advising people who think their signature may not be turned in to sign another petition, because it is NOT illegal to sign more than once. Only 1 of the signatures will be counted. What the democrats are advising is to circumvent the illicit actions of the people who do not want to see the governor recalled.

Brian.

I applaud the fact that the man admitted to his mistake but for you to say that this is the differences between Dems and Republicans is beyond the pale.

Now he needs to talk (now doubt the FBI is talking to him now) and tell who else is involved. He sounds sincere in his admittance to wrong-doing. But as the GAB says this is Fraud! which carries jail time and fines if convicted. My guess is he will talk.

You either didn't understand what you read, or you are lying here. He advocates that it is ok to sign it twice, BECAUSE IT IS. And he goes on to say the petitioners will have to weed out the duplicates before submitting the petition.

How exactly are the petitioners supposed to weed out duplicate signatures before turning them in? Are you expecting people to sign several times with the same petitioner?

@Morninmist, What can they charge him with collecting singnatures and turning them in? If I carry a steak around Sendiks thinking about stealing it but then buy it can they arrest me for theft?

He didn't advocate for signing more than one petition. He said if you think you signed a fraudulent petition, you can sign another. Brian, it's just another lame excuse to make Republicans look better than Democrats. There is NO excuse for tearing up signatures that should be represented in this recall. Really I wish you people would get your heads out of your butts.

Actually it was signatures. They'll still be able to talk. Oh, and apparently they get a do-over on the do-over. It's do-over-a-go-go.

I think Firefly was using a figure of speech, Bob....

I know that, Bren. Perhaps it was the deadly serious tone of my reply that threw you for a loop. Just in case, I repeat - I know that, Bren.

Thanks for the laugh Bob! :-)

Sure about that Bob? : )

@Bren -

No rebuttal from you on my latest rebuttal to your prior rebuttal of the Koch conspiracy theory posts over on the other thread - what gives? Did my sources finally convince you to rethink your position on all of that nonsense?

EXACTLY!

Or he's just a little nuts.

Well, Newt Gingrich blames his infidelities on his "passion for America." So a Republican has all this love for America that is just overwhelming. It is a love that most properly expresses itself in immorality. Who can question the power of love?

Maybe he chose that excuse because "these are not my pants" had already been used numerous times to no avail by folks who've gotten caught holding something illegal. Give him a little credit for blaming it on our current political state of affairs. Works for you guys!

Bob, you must have been one of those little kids who always used the excuse "Well THEY did it too!" when you got caught. Some people never grow up.

Debbie, meet Bren (see above).

Yeah, my 82-year-old Republican dad who hasn't driven in years is just thrilled at the prospect of standing in line to get the proper ID to vote. I don't think he's ever missed an election, and he always votes for the GOP. Thank Walker and the Republicans for passing unnecessary legislation to make it harder for older Republicans to vote! Bravo!

3 people can definitely swing an election. Here you have 3 people perpetrating election fraud, and 3 people who have already done so. Which group is morally right or wrong?

Bren:

Your comment seems to shoots down the 'Republicans are seeking to suppress Democrat votes with voter ID' claim, doesn't it?

We're to take something on Vicki McKenna's website as an absolute? Hee-hee. She's the National Enquirer of political news. You made me laugh, though, so good for you!

It's an unnamed man and unnamed sources,that's good enough for the libs

All of the collectors have badges with a number that you can call to see if the petition collector is certified. I had some a signer ask to call the number today because she had head some many stories of fake petitions collectors.

Thanks for the info, Brian.

Oh you must be forgetting about all those phoney Republicans that ran in the recall elections this summer? I voted Republican for 30 years and never in a million years would have thought they could be so distasteful or deceitful. My next 30 years will be Democrat.

Idiots can sign such "names" be we will catch them and not turn them in to the office.

-Steve
Marge Simpson! LOL

I remember seeing Mickey Mouse on the tea party recalls of Democrat Dave Hansen in Green Bay. Oh no, Republicans don't do that!!

Why do I get this feeling that some numbskull who hears "it's okay to sign more than once" will get the bright idea to run off 20 copies of one completely filled form and turn them in? I'd ALMOST be willing to put money on it.

The only numbskull I see in this article is the guy who planned on denying 150 people their legal right to be heard. Great job twisting this story to make it look any other way.

To paraphrase an esteemed, if currently unlicensed, litigator, "Who is Brian?"

(this thread just keeps on giving!)

They're just making it too easy for you Bob!

Love the reference - I'm sure he'd be honored :-)

MS- Let's see, the plants at Tea Party Rallies with racist signs, for one (known and verified). The false allegations levelled the night of the WI Supreme Court race that were completely fictious and used as a set-up for justification of the recount in the the Prosser race. The list goes on and on about the desperation tactics of falsely accusing Repubicans to gain political advantage, with most being tied directly to Zielinski. So stupid no, common sense yes!!! Notice how quickly the story disappeared. Seems the media outlets are figuring this out as well.

Huh?

Linda thinks the recall of Tom Ament (and actually if my memory serves me I think Ament eventually resigned rather than go through the recall process) for his involvement in the pension scandal is the same thing as Scott Walker not telling people he was going to change the collective bargaining agreement before the election and people recalling him. She thinks Scott Walker is being hypocritical. Linda likes things like kids cutting school to go march on behalf of their teachers, just so you know where it's coming from.

And actually Ament retired, rather than resign, so he could collect the nice pension he set up for himself.

Bob
The point ot Linda Binder's post as I see it is that Walker is a hypocrite. He was originally For recalls when it suited his agenda but no he is not not.

Where has Scott Walker said he's against recalls in general, Morninmist? Point me to the quote. Otherwise you're not making a valid point either.

So then you really weren't aware of what Walker was referring to when he was making that statement back then? I'm glad to be able to help you understand what a ridiculous comparison you were making then. Oh, and btw, it wasn't a "recall election" he won, since Ament retired. Looks like you're the one who's a bit addled, and it only took one or two posts to find yourself in that position.

Has Walker recently made speeches against recalls or something?

Silly CowDung, did Linda say he hadn't made any speeches against recalls or something?

(you get the picture)

I guess I'm just getting addled...

@Linda, Scott Walker respects the process of recalls only when it benefits his agenda.

Do you know that for a fact, Randy? Has he made a statement to that effect?

Or or you just saying that because you think he should be circulating petitions himself?

I can draw a conclusion as well as anyone, Bob McBride. The statement Linda quoted expresses approval for people standing up and 'taking their government back',which was not the gist of what Scott Walker said on Hannity night before last.

Of course I don't expect him to circulate petitions himself. He should just stop expressing confusion and dismay that such a process is happening now.

What was the gist of what he said the other night?

Was this on the radio, btw? Hope you weren't out driving around at the same time!

Why shouldn't Walker be 'confused and dismayed' about the recall efforts being launched against him? Are there any reasons for the recall aside from the Dems being sore losers?

@Bob McBride -- No, it was on Fox New Network, Sean Hannity's show. We all know it's not a good idea for me to chew gum and drive at the same time. Walker's remarks were the same-old same-old about how it's working -- taxes are going down and jobs are being created so why don't the people of Wisconsin understand? (I haven't seen my first tax bill, and unemployment has actually risen since he took office.)

@CowDung -- you're right, why shouldn't Scott Walker be shocked and confused? He is about everything else in his life.

There are many reasons aside from Dems being sore losers -- Voter ID, BadgerCarecuts, cuts to public transportation, hiring of political cronies -- and it all boils down to benefiting his rich contributors at the expense of the poorer people in this state.

Is there any politician, anywhere, who won't tell you that what he's doing is working? I don't think there's evidence that anything anybody's come up with so far is working to the majority's satisfaction, nor are they all being targeted for recall because of it (or just because they weren't the choice of those launching the recalls), nor can any of them be expected to say "Yeah, I'm not real happy with how my policies are working so I think the best thing would be for me to be removed from office".

And that's the problem. I can point to people in office, the big cheese in the oval office, for instance, cite instances of stuff he's done he said he never mentioned doing while campaigning, things he did say while running for office that haven't happened or that were blatantly false and he's been on the job 2 years longer than Walker. And each and every move he makes between now and then will have an effect 50 times that of Scott Walker, and, frankly, I don't think he should be removed from office until he's up for election. And pretty much, that's the way things have been for as long as I can remember Randy.

This state indeed has a problem and it's not Scott Walker. It's that the Democrats are, collectively, a bunch of sore losers who have found a tool to use to attempt to get a mulligan on each and every loss they experience going forward and they don't want to give that up regardless of how much it costs the taxpayer each time they do.

Cowdung
For you for ask a question like that makes you look silly and stupid.
I know you do not live under a rock as you keep up with the news.
But seems either you are stupid or your love for All things Walker keeps you from reading certain news items.

CowDung

10:32am on Friday, November 18, 2011

Has Walker recently made speeches against recalls or something?

"Vilified", you're a moron.

Lawbreakers like those discussed in the article should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The vast majority of people recognize that what they were doing is wrong.

If the recall effort is being "vilified", it is because of the weak justifications that recall supporters have been citing as the reason for the recalls, not because recall is viewed to not be a legitimate process.

It's a legitimate process when used judiciously, like in the case of someone like Tom Ament, which is I why I made the comparison you preferred not to make. Due to the inability of some (on both sides, I may add) to use it in such a fashion, the process needs to be changed so that it isn't just another tool for sore losers who don't like the results of the last election, or who want to get back at someone duly elected because they don't like their policies.

You're a mother, you know what it's like. You give a kid the ability to do something and if they abuse or misuse it, you curtail it to the point where they can no longer do that.

As regards the laws and processes in this state, we refine them, put restrictions on them, change criteria by which they may be used on a regular basis as a part of the governing process. This is one of those instances where we need to do so.

Nobody said the number of sore losers was particularly small, Linda. We have a lot of Democrats in this state. They just don't seem to understand that they don't get to win all the time.

Those sound like 'sore loser' claims to me...

@Robert Heule -- "What does banning the teaching about contraceptives have to to with creating jobs."

More nannies, daycare workers, cops and prison guards needed down the road? This really does not affect me, since I think it's the job of every parent to teach their children about the mechanics of procreation and sexual morality. But some parents don't and they're usually the parents of the very kids you don't want reproducing. That's why the job falls to the schools.

You're right -- this has less to do with improving the state's economy than it does about promoting a conservative social agenda.

robert, part of the time he was looking across the state line for "trouble" with the Democratic minority. You want to hang this all on Walker, your guys have engaged in more troubling behavior on a whole than has the majority.

This is about nothing, absolutely nothing, more than seeing an opportunity to attempt a giant across-the-board mulligan for your losses in the last election. You guys were still so high off the fumes of the 2008 elections that it caught you off guard and, rather than go back and reevaluate what caused you that loss in the first place, your almost immediate reaction was to howl about it it out in the streets and then attempt a bunch of redoes.

You're nothing more than a bunch of spoiled rotten children who pout and scream and kick and spit and insist you get your way. This is what you turn into when, as a whole, you subscribe to a victim mentality. The premise is as childish as are the actions. Grow the heck up.

When Republicans are in office they pursue conservative agendas. When Democrats are in office they pursue liberal agendas. Where have you two guys been for the last 40-50 years or so? That's pretty much the way it's been for as long as I can remember.

This is so ludicrous as to be laughable. On the one hand you guys can't wait to utilize extraordinary measures to run Walker out of office. On the other, you're absolutely incensed that Republicans don't want Obama to be re-elected.

Honest to G-d I think it's time we started running some pee tests on you guys. Something is severely interfering with your abilities to think logically.

Sounds like they are going to have to collect millions of signatures then to be sure of having enough once the duplicates are all weeded out...

I rest my case.

Not impressed' should be at least 25% in one week to have a chance.

He was a democrat plant, plain and simple.

I wouldn’t claim he got caught either if he was caught we would have his name to see more about him. He wanted this out and I smell a political tactic here.