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Should Students Be Allowed to Carry Backpacks Around School?

A ban at Waukesha West rankled some students and parents, though it's been done in other areas of the country. Administrators cite safety reasons; students say backpacks are more efficient.

 

Waukesha West High School banned backpacks during the school day this year. Principal David Towers said the ban was made for issues of safety and to prevent contraband —drugs, alcohol and weapons — from being carried around.

Such bans have taken place elsewhere, both permanently and temporarily. Fargo, ND, schools took the step last year. And a school district in New York state banned backpacks and purses for a period last spring following two arrests, one for a marijuana sale and one for a gun threat.

Students, predictably, were displeased. Some started a Facebook event to rally protests; though more than 300 people joined the event, nobody has posted to the page since Sept. 6.

But anyone who spent their high school days lugging stacks of books, folders and writing utensils around hallways in the days before backpacks became popular knows this much — it was inconvenient and inefficient, if not somewhat dangerous. One post on the Facebook event from the second day of school read:

Today Mr. Berish tripped over school supplies that were on the floor, and not in a backpack. Oh the irony..

Did Waukesha West’s principal needlessly overreact? Or do backpacks contribute to a more dangerous and disruptive school environment? Would you like to see a similar move at your school? Vote in our poll and add your thoughts in the comments.

  • Should students be allowed to carry backpacks around school?

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    • Yes
        74 (70%)
    • No
        31 (29%)
    Total votes: 105
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Bridgett Bartlein Drews

6:59 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

That would be so hard for students exspecially H.S. who have to get between classes that sometimes (alot) are frequently on the opposite side of the school from the last class. My 16 yr. old son says he doesn't have time to even go to the bathroom most times. But the backpacks get so heavy to be lugged around all day & it is a good place to "hide" things. I don't know what the solution to this could be but maybe someone should check into it. I never had a backpack in my days of school, but I managed without to much difficulty. Maybe we had more time inbetween our classes to get to our lockers & stop in the restroom if needed. Just an idea

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Ann

8:26 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Most school districts have cut the amount of time students have from getting from one class to the other. In Greenfield - they cut it to 4 minutes - that does not give you enough time to use the bathroom, go to your locker and get to your shop class that is at the complete opposite side of the building.

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Mike Knight

9:56 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

It's the 21st century. They should have all the books on a computer tablet so kids don't have to lug heavy books around.

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Sam Vedder

11:18 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Hey Mike... will you buy my kids a computer? Didn't think so.

Rosemary

7:22 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Many schools in Milwaukee do not allow backpacks....or even purses...for the reasons stated in the article. You think that's just school supplies in there?! Try makeup, hair supplies, clothing, cigarettes (yes, both kinds) candy, shoes, food, ...and now, drugs and weapons. Some packpacks are huge and take up floor space in the classroom. They are like having luggage all over the floor. They were meant to make taking books to and from school easier and protect them from the elements.....not to be a "security blanket" so kids could carry all their "stuff" with them all day. It isn't even healthy to be carrying such weight on their backs all the time. Have you seen how big some of them are....and loaded!! It worked effectively in other districts and it can be done in others. They have become status symbols....the make (some are very expensive, like their shoes)....the size, color. Just another expense for some families, too. Kids always whine at change!!

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Linda

7:30 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Some schools have compromised. The students can have backpacks, but they must be clear.

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Nicki

7:31 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

They still have lockers in school, don't they? Perhaps a solution to carrying everything around in a backpack all day would be to put the afternoon books, etc in one's locker and carry only what is needed for the morning and vice versa in the afternoon. Backpacks would be lighter and not so bulky as to take up as much room if full. They are efficient for carrying books and supplies between classes, but such to do in Greendale? Is it necessary?

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Nuitari

7:33 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

When I went to MFHS, I had no problem making it across the building between classes. It's called plan ahead and carry the books you need for next few classes.
The issue about them being a stsus symbol, please, that was probably the argument with trapper keepers.

That being said, we don't live in Milwaukee, so it is safe for our kids to bring backpacks. Our fine students of Menomonee Falls deserve whatever will make them successful.

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Rosemary

7:47 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Do backpacks "make them successful"? I'm hearing a disconnect here.

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KKP

7:56 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Nuitari, you don't really believe that bad things don't happen in Menomonee Falls, do you? And backpacks don't make the successful student....studying does.

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Bettie Mader

7:57 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Yes Rosemary...I believe they do. They keep the kids organized!

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KKP

8:04 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

LOL - they don't use them for organization. They use them to carry their LIVES with them...They don't look at a backpack and say "hmmm...can I stay organized with this?" They look at a backpack and say "How much stuff can I get in here..can I fit my makeup and my purse and my iPod and my phone and my change of clothes and my....hmm..will there be room for a couple of books??"

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Donna

8:16 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Yes, we may live in Menomonee Falls, but we do have kids from Milwaukee attending our High School on the 2-20 program.

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Ann

8:24 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Nuitari - keep living in your glass house - I know kids who have gone and who do go to MFHS - it is no different than any other school across the country - you have your good kids and you have your bad kids and you have the ones that are in between trying to fit in. So is the answer punishing all kids for the bad?

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KKP

8:29 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Ooooh, no, Ann...the answer is not "punishing all kids because of the bad ones..." The answer is keeping the rest of the students PROTECTED from the bad ones. Be honest with yourself - if your child were shot by a student who carried a gun in his or her backpack, wouldn't you go to the school and demand to know HOW such a thing could have happened and WHY didn't the school protect the children? Of course you would!!

KKP

7:45 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I know it's become a popular thing, these backpacks...unfortunately, it's also becoming popular for some students to carry contraband in them. So, it's really a case of the few ruining it for the rest, as is often the case...all it takes is one person abusing something before it's banned.

That being said....when I was in school, we didn't have backpacks. We had lockers. I'm assuming the students still had lockers. We had 5 minutes between classes - at times we had to get from the first floor to the 4th floor, so...it took a little time. What we did was carry the book(s) for the next class(es) with us.

Keep in mind that the school is also looking at possibility of lawsuits. Can anyone here tell me that if their child was injured or killed by a student with a gun, they wouldn't file suit against the school for "not doing something to prevent this from happening"? Well...that's what they're trying to do....

Since it has become rather a trend for a disgruntled student to come into school waving a gun around, the school has to do something to protect its students - as well as the school itself.

Would we rather go through the expense of metal detectors at all entrances of the schools? The school has to do something - or risk injury and/or death to people inside the building, and in return, risk getting sued because of it.

Banning backpacks and asking students to carry a couple of books between classes seems to small requirement to combat a growing deadly issue.

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Rosemary

7:52 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Thank you, KKP. Well said!!

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Bridgett Bartlein Drews

9:14 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Which is what I was trying to say also. You just said it much better. And the person from Menomonee Falls isn't quite getting it. There are good & bad kids in every city, town & schools. Don't blind yourself to the facts.

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Dakota Robinson

12:22 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

But how does that work if kids have physical issues with their body? They have say a limp arm and cant carry books then how does this work?

Bettie Mader

8:06 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Do people really believe a student determined to carry contraband NEEDS a backpack to do it? We may as well instill a ban on coats, sweaters, bulky clothing, etc. I know for a fact Waukesha West is filled with good kids, and if this were a concern, Waukesha schools as a whole would ban them. I would like to see this over turned as it keeps the kids organized. After all, they will be carrying them in College, and isn't that what they are preparing for?

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MFalls Girl

8:07 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

aren't the school books digitized. give everyone a tablet or Nook and put their textbooks on that. Helps the stress on the back and the stress of admin worrying about contraband.

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N. Peske

9:54 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

Few textbooks are digitized compared to traditional trade books. On Kindle and Nook, you can make notes, but adjusting to these new technologies is a process. Plus, not every parent can afford these eReaders or tablets. As with any technology, if schools and taxpayers invest in providing them, what happens when they become outdated, incompatable with new programs, broken, lost, etc.?
We are clearly in transition in the digital age. Meanwhile, I hope people don't forget that there's more for students to carry than ever before, there's often less time between classes than in the past, and many, many students have organizational problems due to learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, sensory processing disorder, etc. We need to consider their needs in making decisions about backpacks.

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CowDung

10:17 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

What are students carrying now that they didn't in the past? Not sure that I agree with your claim that students have less time between classes than in the past either.

We had 3 minutes between classes when I was in HS--we didn't go to our lockers between every class. Nobody needed to carry backpacks--we carried our books in our hands/arms.

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Randy1949

11:32 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

@CowDung -- As some people have said in the comments, it depends on the physical layout of the school. Students probably aren't carrying anything more than I had to back in 1965, but as I've explained, I had to carry a lot, even with careful planning.

There were no such things as backpacks back then, but they would have been a much better way of transporting and containing multiple books and other materials. No aching arms, no upper back pain, no getting jostled in the halls and having to pick up a pile of dropped books.

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CowDung

2:47 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Certainly it can be more convenient to use a backpack. My point was that there seems to be a lot more drama over this than there really ought to be. It isn't like they are forcing kids to walk without shoes--they are just having to carry stuff in their arms rather than in a backpack.

It really shouldn't be that big of a deal...

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Kirsten Lee

8:24 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Students are do have more to carry. My one son is required to bring a 2 inch binder to one class, a 1.5 inch binder to another class and 1 inch binders to all the other class. Each class requires a notebook and folder. Even in high school, he needs multiple colored pens, markers, pencils, post-it notes.

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CowDung

11:29 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Kirsten:

Is that different than the way things used to be? The idea of having a notebook and textbook for every class certainly isn't new. I bet that my HS biology, Calculus and chemistry books were a lot thicker than the binders that your kid is 'burdened' with...

Students have been carrying hardcover textbooks, notebooks, pencils, pens, binders, etc. to class for decades...

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Mariah Shaffer

2:12 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I go to school in a same town where we dont really have the money... or the technology.. so what would you do about that?

Bettie Mader

8:13 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

@MFalls Girl...That would definitely make sense. However some of the teachers still prefer using the text books.

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KKP

8:20 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

It's not just a preference with some teachers...you also have to consider the school district's budget...those tablets aren't cheap. It would be great if the student would pay for them, but I don't think a lot of parents would appreciate that. There are SOME school districts who do supply students with tablets, 7th grade and above. Not sure if the schools are paying for them or if the parents are. If the schools are paying for them, I hope that the students have to turn them in at the end of the school year....I don't know...anyone here know how that works in the school that do have them?? I would think tablets would be a GREAT solution...

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Terri#1

3:08 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

@Mariah Shaffer: Your comment is a non-issue....again....there have been plenty of communities in the past, ie. 60's and 70's that did not have money or technology, and the kids did just fine carrying their books, lunch and pencil case. Look even farther back..1800's ....early 1900's. Same thing there: they did with what they had and accepted it. The kids today are too spoiled and think that they HAVE to have a backpack or ohmigosh the world may just end.

Bettie Mader

8:31 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Last year my son was expected to submit his homework digitally, making it necessary to have a flash drive available at all times. So he got a laptop for Christmas, thinking it would be good for College as well. It was great, as he just had his laptop to lug around. This year some of the material is available in text only, so the laptop sits and he is back to carrying around all of the books and binders.

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KKP

8:36 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Heh...we ARE beginning to border on the ridiculous here....Bottom line, though, is what we want is safety for our children, yes? Of course, any student who wants to bring a gun onto the premises will find a way to do it. Banning backpacks is a deterrent - but it's not a solution. It's easy enough to stuff a gun inside one's underpants, as someone mentioned above...determination is a powerful incentive for anyone who is of that mind...

So what is the answer?? I personally don't like the backpacks - I think they encourage students to stuff half their lives in them, and make them too heavy, and they will end up with back problems later in life (which ultimately everyone will be paying for via health insurance...)... That being said, banning them isn't going to stop violence in the schools. If someone wants to shoot someone, they're going to find a way to get that gun in there. I see advantages of backpacks, but I also know that we didn't need them when we went to school in past years. They're not a necessity. Student safety IS, however, a necessity. If banning backpacks will deter even ONE shooting...it's worth it.

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Bridgett Bartlein Drews

9:17 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I agree with you there. "If there is a will, there is a way". That being said there is no easy solution here. Backpacks weren't around when I went to school & we managed just fine. But we still had problems than just not as serious as today.

Kimberley Marie Meyer

9:10 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

there are other ways to protect student than banning backpacks... there are many other places on a persons body to hide a gun/ drugs... kids these days aren't stupid... if they really wanted to protect students, they would have metal detectors/ police enforcement/ security at the schools doing locker checks randomly/ bag checks before entering the school... there are other ways to protect students... i have been that high school student that had to run from one side of a big school to another in 5 minutes to get to class on time... it is impossible to go to your locker to get things for the other class/ go to bathroom and still get to class on time... if backpacks are eliminated, there will be more tardiness, and it still wouldnt eliminate the danger that is brought into the school since students can still wear baggy clothing, and hide the "danger" on themselves...

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Debi

9:24 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I beleive that they should have the right to use backpack!. There are a number of students who actually do NEED them, due to a medical problem or just being more convienent and organized.
When I was in High School I didn't have my locker close enough that I could go back and forth to it.
As for carrying purses why should they not... Where do you think there going to keep there personal stuff in????
To me it sounds like people are living scared with life.
I say don't disrubt the way a student goes to school......instead why doesn't the school place a medal detector by the doors???

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Spate Cooley

10:28 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

It looks like Debi should have paid closer attention in spelling and English class.

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Debi

1:11 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Scott C.- "The teacher of the day". Thank you for pointing out the errors. I must of miss today's class, I thought the subject was on backpacks not spelling mistakes. Please keep to the subject!

Nuitari

9:26 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Boy, this sure exploded with comments over some dumb backpacks. You milktoast parents want to make your kid's lives so easy they'll never have any challenges in life.

Again, I'm not for or against having backpacks, but back in my days at MFHS:

(1) I had no problem with having to lug my books around.
(2) Was never tardy because of it.
(3) Just happened to appear the honor roll the entire time.

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Randy1949

10:22 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

@Nuitari -- It kind of depends on the layout of the campus and the location of your locker. It's been fifty years for me, but I spent the second year of my time at Waukesha Central campus having to carry every book I would need for the day, because for some odd reason my locker was on the top floor of the Lincoln building, and none of my classes were anywhere near. Even with careful planning bathroom breaks were sometimes impossible.

What about the lunch breaks? We had half an hour, but we were locked out of the classroom buildings and unable to access our lockers. We also had only one bathroom per gender, with a shortage of facilities for half the student body.

I was on the honor role too, but I really loathed the place.

Lisa

9:33 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I have not been in school for 25 years but I didn't carry a backpack around school - just to and from school. I went to my locker in the morning, got all of my books and supplies for the morning classes, hit it at lunch to put those back and then get my stuff for the afternoon classes. I don't remember it ever being a problem. As time goes on, there will not be as many paper books since more schools will be evolving and moving to online so they will just be carrying some notebooks and a laptop or tablet.

I see a big hubbub about nothing.

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vocal local 1

9:39 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

My personal opinion is: close the bloody schools. Give every family that doesn't have a computer a computer and pay for their internet server. Put mandatory education courses on-line; thereby cutting costs and increasing safety, removing the undesired associations with peers and adults working in the system. Bring them into sterile testing in mass quarterly or as needed. In most instances the home schooled children are doing better without all the drama and trama.

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Lisa

9:42 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

You have got to be kidding, right? You may not like that they are exposed to drama in school but it teaches them how to deal with things in life. If you have no exposure to situations, how will you ever learn about what to do in those situations? If you think you can protect your kid for the rest of your life, good luck....you are going to need it!

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Debi

10:12 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

That doesn't sounds to far off. I'm in college, with getting assignments and turning them in you need to go on line (ecollege). I have tradition classes mixed with blended.
Being a blended class a teacher can call off class (which one of my instructors did last week) for our assignment we need to go into ecollege (online) to see what we are suppose to do.

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Randy1949

10:13 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I think the reason most home-schooled children are doing better is that they can move at their own pace and because learning is still fun. They're not having to function in that semi-prison environment that the schools have become.

Of course, home-schooling requires parental involvement and inspiration.

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KKP

10:18 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Nah...I agree with Lisa on this one...home schooled children aren't exposed to "playing well with others", and they don't get a chance to learn how to interact with other kids. I think home schooling is doing an extreme injustice to kids these days. At some point, they have to learn how to get along with others and deal with all different walks of life.

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Lee

10:49 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

vocal local 1 .......Bravo! You made my day. Love it, love it, love it!!!!

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vocal local 1

11:12 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Lisa, I'm not kidding. I worked in the public schools. If the parents knew what went on daily many would pull their kids out especially those in special education. You don't want your kids exposed to the negatives that abound and there isn't any way to control it. As a parent it's your responsibility to protect your children. Children learn more from their peers than they do from the teachers. Add to that one bad teacher and your kid is most often screwed the remainder of their educational years. Choice of your child's peer group is BEST. I haven't seen any home schooled child that can't socialize but I've seen plenty of mandatory public school attendee's that are far from normal when it comes to desired socialization. Oh, it seems I'm forgetting it's the parents, the home life not the out of control schools our children are assigned to attend.

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jbw

3:32 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I couldn't agree with you more strongly. We have more than $10k/year per student, so the best computers, high-speed internet and software are easily affordable. And no, sitting in study inside a home part of the day doesn't exclude socialization in life any more than sitting in a classroom or office part of the day.

The only thing I learned from "social experiences" in public school was to carry a concealed weapon, let the other kids know I wasn't afraid to use it, and watch my back, because if you're smart and hard-working they will stop at nothing to harm you. The time I spent outside school with family and friends was far more helpful in life.

A lot of people have already pointed out the total absurdity of the idea that clearly already determined students will not be able to carry "unwanted" objects on their person without a backpack. Too bad the ban doesn't make any sense, or we could end all gun and drug crime in the city by banning backpacks there.

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Sarah Millard

9:45 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

Just going to jump in here on the comments about homeschool students not learning how to play well with others. Maybe I am biased because I was homeschooled, but that stereotype is wrong. If you check out the homeschool community in this area, they have sports programs, educational programs and even dances. I've actually found that homeschool children can relate to others in different age groups because they do not just interact with people in their own grade levels. And they are not all sheltered. They still face the same problems that public school teens face – drugs, alcohol and teen pregnancy. It's not the right choice for everyone, but it's also not someone living under a rock!

Louise

9:39 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

We had a no backpacks and no jackets rule when I was in high school 20 years ago in the Chicago burbs. I don't think it's a big deal. Maybe if West didn't have the rampant drug problem that it has it wouldn't be such a concern for the admin. Drugs and weapons go hand in hand unfortunately.

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LP

9:55 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

My daughter could never make it to the waiting school bus on time, going from her last class to her locker and then to the bus. If the buses would be required to wait for a time period which would allow the students time to return to their lockers, I would be for a no backpack rule; because the weight of carrying all those books placed a toll on my children's backs, which showed up years later.

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KKP

10:20 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I believe a good solution would be to make the buses wait for a longer period of time, and also for the schools to add a minute or two of "free time" between classes if the true issue is "time getting to and from the locker". The schools shouldn't expect the students to have to carry all of their books and supplies with them all day long. That's the purpose of having lockers. And if there isn't enough time to get to the lockers between classes, then the schools need to MAKE time.

Randy1949

10:10 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Safety, my foot. Is a backpack at the student's feet any more of a trip hazard than a pile of books that can be kicked and scattered? As for the contraband, drugs will fit into a pocket. A gun will fit into a pocket. Are cargo pants and large pockets the next thing for a ban?

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Terri#1

10:49 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

BAN THE BACKPACKS.
People need to realize that our societies (and schools) change, and in most instances, sadly, it is not for the better. Think of the teachers who worry about what the next day will bring...will they end up in an emergency room? Think about the majority of students who are afraid to go to their schools and may skip school because they are afraid to go. Think about the principals who wonder if they will have to deal with a student uprising. This is the reality for these folks. I went to school in the 60's and 70's at OCHS. It was in the main a enjoyable experience. No need to worry about whether there's going to be a kid carrying a gun or other weapon.
We didin't carry backpacks back then, we had our lockers to use and 4 minutes (YES four minutes!) between classes. We were able to do it. Kids now should be able to do it as well. If I were a parent of a student going to school today, I would be first to advocate banning backpacks.
I have not forgotten disabled students.There should be provisions that meet their needs of course.
I'm betting anyway that most of the kids arguing against the ban have something to hide anyway. Yes, drugs and other small items can still be carried on a kid anyway, but banning backpacks is one more way to cut this possibility of hidden contraband,.
But C'mon kids: Grow a spine, You can deal with carrying books in your arms and dealing with the time between classes. Others can do it, and have done it in the past you can too.

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Dick

10:52 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Our schools do not allow backpacks during the school day. I do not hear the kids complaining about that. Lugging home all these heavy books is a pain not to mention that it is not good for our kids backs. Our schools are looking into going to ebooks for class/home. This sounds like a much better solution to me. No worries about lugging all these books around, no worries about carrying them home, the kids can access them at school, home, anywhere for that matter. No worries about having to go to their locker to get their books for the next class either. I know not every school can afford this, but it is the waive of the future. It i also great for our environment - less books means not having to cut down as many trees (or at least that seems logical).

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Dick

11:00 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I used to have to carry my personal items in a clear purse type container when I worked at a dept store years ago. I see they still use them today so they must be working. Someone should invent a backpack that is clear so that all items could be seen. The kids would have a better way to carry their things and the school could have a better handle on the issue of safety and backpacks. Yes, I know you're saying they could still find a way to hide small things even in a clear back pack, but as a previous person noted, drugs etc can be hidden in a pocket.

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Terri#1

11:00 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Dick: more power to you and your schools. Congrats on that. i am saddened by the fact that real books are not used as much. There's nothing like the feel of a book in your hands as opposed to a hard metal device. But that's once again how society is changing. I completely agree with schools heading that way if it makes the school experience safer for students.

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Holly Kish

11:08 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Ban CELL PHONES. Uniforms mandatory and all materials should stay in your desk so the TEACHER/SCHOOL Can finish teaching you & instill the the values morals and responsibilities that have been neglected...funn they didnt ban backpacks after studies proved they lead to scoliosis/sway back etc...

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Randy1949

11:16 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

What desk? Do students even have desks anymore? They certainly didn't when I was in high school and college. Your school seems to have neglected the basics of punctuation and proper capitalization along with the love of knee-jerk rules.

I would posit that carrying a large stack of books causes kyphosis.

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mau

11:46 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

My son hauled around an overly heavy back pack starting in Middle School. I would always be on his case why he always had to be hauling so many heavy books. It wasn't just from class to class, it was also coming home on the school bus. His locker was never near his classrooms and if he left his books in his locker they were either getting messed with or stolen. I agree with Holly that this is not good for growing spines and bones.

I went to small town schools which did not cover large areas. I never carried large stacks of books as our lockers were near the classrooms.

@Randy1949, did I use proper punctuation and capitalization?

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Randy1949

12:01 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

@mau -- Yes you did. For some reason, our generation seems to be capable of it.

But how about we all use our brains and identify the real problem? It's young bodies being required to carry around too much weight and materials with not enough time between classes to take care of basic human needs.

I'm surprised to learn the drug problem is at Waukesha West rather than some of the other campuses. But making life harder for everyone rather than just for the bad apples won't solve anything.

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mau

1:52 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

@Randy1949, what I saw during my sons years in school was too much wasted class time that would have allowed more time for classes, more time to get their assignments done, etc. There was nothing more irritating than when my son would come home with a ton of homework and say they had watched a Disney Movie or played games. It was rare for him to be graded on spelling, sentence/paragraph structure and punctuation. That is the difference between his and our generation. I took basic English classes and 4 years of office classes in high school. Then worked as a typist for 6 years. Punctuation, structure and spelling were critical and was a reflection on the person who I typed for and the quality of my work. Even to this day the rules I learned are different than what Microsoft uses. Microsoft Word will go as far as try to correct my spacing between sentences and paragraphs and use of punctuation.

I totally forgot about the bathroom. He would come running into the house and straight for the bathroom. How can you not have time to go to the bathroom at school.

John Oropeza

11:14 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Are you kidding me? There is time to switch out binders in your locker, but pretty much only if you classes are extremely close (chance) or before lunch. Even if that was the case, I'd still be lugging around around 3 textbooks that I need for study hall and my classes throughout the day plus a calculator, pencil pouch, 2+ binders, snacks, 2+ notebooks, regular books to read when there's down time, and loose leaf paper. If anyone can think that banning backpacks wont make student go insane then they're just not remembering how much some of us really have to carry in a day.

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Randy1949

11:31 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

@John Oropeza -- You seem to be an actual student. Tell me, do you still have the problem of inconsiderate students clogging up the traffic in the halls? I'd find myself stuck behind a group of cheerleader type girls walking five abreast at a leisurely stroll, with no way to pass without getting my books knocked out of my arms by the oncomers. I often wondered what kind of drivers those girls grew up to be.

We'd also have the problem of teachers keeping us a minute after the bell to finish up. Understandable for them but a problem for us to get to the next class on time, much less to the locker or the bathroom.

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waukesha mom

12:28 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

i agree with john here. in hight school we had ten minutes between classes. there is no reason not to be able to switch ur books in time for the next class. i had four books at one time. ya they were heavy but hey we did it.

Beth

11:16 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I have two students at MFHS. They are allowed to carry backpacks, but the backpacks have to meet certain size requirements and fit under the desks. Those that bring too big of ones are sent to their lockers to get rid of them and are not allowed to carry them. I feel they are necessary. Passing time is 4 minutes and the hallways are very crowded, there is not usually time to get to their lockers in between classes. If everyone was carrying their stuff in their hallways it would be a nightmare. Just ask the kids who attend the high school. It's also all dependant as to where your locker is. You have the same locker all four years of high school and some are not in convenient easy to get to locations.

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John Oropeza

11:27 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Plus, I must add, my middle school banned backpacks. Let me tell you how that went. Basically, by the end of the first month, our binders were disgusting--dirt was all over them, as we had to put our things on the dirty floor during each class. The sight of kids kicking their pencil pouches that had fallen to the floor was normal; they did not want to have to put all of their things on the floor and pick up the pencil pouch again. Time and time again kids dropped all of their things and were late to class because they lost time to picking their belongings up. I remember the terrible feeling of almost dropping my things so much that I then had to sprint until I got to my class whilst balancing as best as I could. Overall, having to carry your things is one of the biggest inconvenience ever.

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Dick

11:34 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

John, I have kids in Highschool and middle school. They had to adjust to this as well. They have learned to adjust and make changes to the way they used to do things like if they have time to stop at their locker etc. THey have learned to be better at planning ahead as I bet many of your classmates have. John, be an active member in your school. By that I mean if you have issues, be proactive and bring the to the powers that be. The student council is always a good start also. Invite the ones making these decisions for the kids to follow you for a day or half day to see what you're up against. All too often those who make these decsions are not in the thick of things. Just a suggestion.

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Randy1949

11:44 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

@Dick -- Your assuming that it's simply a matter of learning forethought and time organization. It isn't. It wasn't back when I was in high school, because I planned out every move and book I had to carry, and it wasn't enough sometimes.

Your suggestion about asking the administration and teachers to follow a student around for a day is a good one. It would probably be the last time a teacher ever kept a class after the bell or glared at someone for coming in 30 seconds late.

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Mike Knight

12:23 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I didn't have any cheerleader walking slowly clogging the halls. My issue were odd impromptu circles of people chatting away in the middle of the hallways. You had to zig zag, and squeeze around them. I never got how they had time to have pow wow sessions in between every class while I'm racing to get there on time.

Warriors Mom

11:27 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

BAN THE KIDS!!!! You people are to funny! They don't need them in between classes but I don't care one way or the other, some are right if the kids want to bring a gun, drugs, smokes, etc they will & don't need a backpack for it. It should be a school's choice PERIOD.

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Randy1949

11:36 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Students don't need backpacks to organize their books and materials between classes? In that case, adults don't need briefcases to carry their papers to presentations.

Warriors Mom

12:02 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

They have trapper keepers which can hold a lot in between classes. Our middle school kids use those.

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Randy1949

12:10 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

My son's elementary school banned trapper-keepers. I'm not sure why.

Colleen McShane

12:19 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I went to WHS last year as a senior and let me tell you with schools adding more necessities that you need for one specific class, the amount of time in between classes being shortened, the distance between certain lockers and certain classes and making sure you don't forget something in your locker, makes it a NECESSITY to have a back pack. Most teachers don't allow students to leave their class to go to their locker if they forgot something, or even to use the bathroom. Their argument is they should have gone during passing periods. Well the passing period is 4 minutes long, my teacher kept the class after the bell rang, I need to go to my locker that is on the other side of the school to get to my class downstairs. So all of that in around 3 minutes is crazy.
My school during my sophomore year banned sweatshirts and jackets because we had an incident where a student brought a gun to school in his sweatshirt. Let me tell you, the next day after the ban, every student wore their sweatshirts. Just because one person is stupid and does something wrong, doesn't mean you can punish the rest of the students. In the middle of winter and the school not wanting to spend much on air conditioning and heating made classes on the outside of the building freezing. The ban lasted all of a week because they realized students were not going to respect it. I feel as for backpacks, get a metal detector and a scanner or the school cop to search the bag, kids wont risk bringing it in then.

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waukesha mom

12:25 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

i dont think they should be able to. its more of the safty concerns of why they shouldnt. with crime all around and getting worse im glad they r banning wearing backpacks around the school. WHAT WEST HIGH SCHOOL SHOULD BE MORE CONCERND ABOUT IS THERE DRESS CODE..... you got students more so the gurls wearing really short crap and looking like sluts. gurls with short shorts with the private areas showing threw there shorts. its not right. they need to focus on the dress code and start craking down on theses gurls wearing these type of clothes. and they wonder why they have problems with the young guys theres. dont wear what your wearing and you wont have a problem. JUST CUZ IT ZIPS DOESNT MEAN IT FITS!!!!!!! get clothes that fit gurls... as far as the babck packs i dont think they should. but as far as the trapper keepers i dont c why they dont allow those.

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Kelly

12:54 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

How a child dresses needs to be addressed at home. Not at school. We send our children to school for an education not fashion advice. Calling young girls names is inappropriate and immature. This link is regarding backpacks not the dress code.

MFalls Girl

12:29 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I agree - uniforms would solve the problem but the parents probably wouldn;t allow it. A lot of the parents today are as bad as their kids. I know I am from the old school. But it could get better but people don't want to try it. Uniforms would solve some problems. Also teachers are dressing as bad as the kids.

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waukesha mom

12:50 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

i totaly agree with you @MFalls girl yes uniforms would change alot of the issues they have. i to am also old shool and yes i agree parents are as bad as the kids theses days. and teachers arnt any better. yet they all supposed to be setting an example for the kids.. smh....

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Kelly

1:02 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Banning backpacks at Waukesha West High School was done for "safety reasons". The Administration will not clarify what this means. If it is in fact drugs, then banning backpacks won't stop drugs from entering the school. The backpacks can still be brought in to the school and then placed in the school lockers. What this allows is for the lockers to be legally searched. Students can not be searched and if they are carrying their backpack that can not be searched legally. So, this simply means that the students will need to carry/hide drugs on their person and not in their backpacks. This does not deter kids from bringing drugs to school. It simply changes the location where they will carry/hide it.

The Board of Education did implement this ban, only the Administration. And it was done 3 weeks before school started and they did not "formally" notify any parents, students or faculty. "Why" one must ask?

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Terri#1

1:03 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Randy1949: Adults carrying briefcases are just that --ADULTs. They have more life experience than inexperienced kids with backpacks who are still trying to learn right from wrong. Adults have in a way, EARNED the right to carry briefcases because they know how to use them correctly. Of course I'm not saying ALL adults...there is that minority who use them to carry questionable items. But are far less than the kids who are carrying questionable items.

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Randy1949

2:25 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

@Terri -- I haven't seen that turning 18 suddenly confers the ability to know right from wrong. And how does a person learn right from wrong if they're never allowed any choices in the matter? The fact that you think carrying a backpack is a matter of right and wrong makes me shake my head.

What you're saying is that because a minority of students use their backpacks to hide contraband, the ability to organize and carry necessary materials must be forfeited by all. That makes as much sense as banning trenchcoats after Columbine when the real problem was something far more complex.

Mz.Wonderful

1:37 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

This is just one more step towards the policing & selling the fear of WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN. Banning school essentials is just plain over the top. Within Schools today, kids are overloaded with not enough time to accomplish every task assigned. There is not enough time in between classes & they generally have to hail @zz to just barely get there. Teachers do run over their class time as they are trying to do the same with tight schedules. Homeschool/online students have many opportunities to Socialize due to activities planned for them. They get a netbook to use, then turn it in yearly. They excel, but to the remark they do it on their time/pace; they still have to hustle & have an overload of items to accomplish. Free choice, organization & the allowance to use common sense within what they carry should be the ONLY guiding factors here. MOST, I'd bet a good MAJORITY, DO NOT BRING GUNS/DRUGS to school. You'll find these everywhere. So what, ban them from being in public because they might cross the path of someone holding these items?! Schools with Police, detectors, searches are very disruptive & take away from youth. &, yes, they do this in the Falls as well. Would you like this at your place of employment? A lil
stressful, perhaps?! Now, imagine thes kids havi.g rhis added

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Mz.Wonderful

1:47 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Having this added to all other stresses; ever stop to think why they're snapping. Add the pharma dope Over prescribed...once again, Common Sense Should Rule. Add some technology/netbooks, reasonable time for Staff & Students & go back to some of tbe basics without all the stress. I am not saying to coddle them, however, there ARE MORE REASONABLE CHOICES HERE THAN WHAT MAY HAPPEN. I cannot imagine being a female & not having a choice or clear bags to transport personal items needed. I can't imagine who has All this time to think about WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN &let's protect them from fears & possibilities. QUIT treating these 'kids' as potential criminals & let them LEARN. KIDS ARE VERY Savvy today. TALK to them...most are smarter than some Adults within making Common Sense Choices! They get it.

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AWD

2:07 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

This is Obama's America, an America of weakness. The recent events in the Mideast prove once again Obama cannot handle world conflicts let alone a heavy backpack. It's time to remove this America hating usurper from his place of power. On November 6th Election Day we will vote out Obama and his backpack filled with racism, hate and division.

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Robert E

2:57 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

The President pledged to bring those responsible for the attacks to justice.
"We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
Given Obama’s track record, justice will very likely be done indeed.
Barack Obama condemned the attacks, he spoke against violence and expressed sadness for the dead and sympathy for their families and friends, he told us what he was doing to protect our people in similar situations around the globe, and he promised us justice. About what you would expect from your President in such a situation.
Mitt Romney attacked his own government and his fellow Americans.
The President was coldly angry, but determined in his public response to prevent further bloodshed, further violence.
Mitt was outraged.
The President’s concern was for the dead, for their families, for people.
Romney’s concern was that somebody touched our stuff.
Obama responded like a president.
Romney acted like a businessman.
Do the math for yourself.
"When our grounds are being attacked and being breached, the first response of the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation."
Outrage.
As a first response.
Our first response shouldn’t be to stand together as Americans. Oh hell no, wouldn’t want that.
No, no.

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Robert E

2:58 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Step 1: Outrage! Outrage, by God! Outrage, because that’s what Angry Jesus would do! Outrage!
Step 2: Blame our fellow countrymen.
And then what?
Based on the recently adopted GOP platform and past performance by Republican administrations I suspect Step 3 is probably “bomb some random brown people.” Then a year or so later realize that we killed the wrong people, but stubbornly pretend that they had it coming anyway, because, well, you know, brown people. Screw ‘em.
Conservatives have a self esteem problem.
They’re terrified of apologies. They’re so damned afraid on having to admit a mistake, of having to apologize, of appearing weak or unmanly – despite the very specific admonishment of their avowed lord and savior to turn the other cheek and to act in humility – that they see apologies where none were ever given.
Today is a perfect example, Mitt Romney knows that his response was wrong. He knows his attempt to make this terrible event into just another campaign sound-bite is crass and beneath anybody, anybody, who would aspire to the Oval Office. He knows it. Look at his eyes, read his words and watch him keep shifting the goal posts and tell me that he doesn’t damned well know that his comment last night was wrong.
Both conservatives and liberals alike have condemned him for it.

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Robert E

2:58 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

But he is too insecure, too immature, too afraid, too filled with self doubt and little man syndrome to admit it.
Instead, like a petulant child, he’s doubling down, feet spread, bottom lip out, arms akimbo.
And like a child, he’s outraged.
Come November, Americans have a choice.
They can chose a guy who wants you to be outraged over an apology that never happened, and who would allow himself to be goaded into war over the “rights” of an anonymous troll (who might not even be an American) in the guise of shallow patriotism.
Or they can chose the guy who behaves like an actual statesman.

KKP

3:07 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

When the hell did this turn into a political topic?? Focus people! If you want to discuss politics, do it in another forum!

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Dick

3:23 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Might I suggest to the many who are concerned about school issues and still have kids in school to become more involved at the top with the administration, at board meetings, or thru emails to the admin and to the board, reading the minutes, watching the board meetings on-line if available, things like that. I cannot tell you how many things I have learned at board meetings (although they be boring most days) before much of the general district population knew it. All this is public record, and has to be, and most things are up for dicussion at board meetings. And please don't just say I don't have time. If you are concerned, as many clearly are then you need to make the time. Many controvertial issues became known the most of the population with in the school district because of parents/staff who went to the board meetings or read the minutes or watched it online etc. and told other people. Yes, by word of mouth. Many issues in our district were put on hold and changed because of parent concerns, Parents voiced there concerns and when possible changes were made. Parents can bring to light things that the admin and board have not even considered because they are not in your shoes. It's up to you to be informed and make your voice heard. It does make a difference even though you may not get everything you want all the time, having your voice heard and letting the powers that be know how you feel is still important. Speak up or live with their decisions.

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Apothic

4:51 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I will re post as others had a hard time understanding what I was saying. If kids are organized they don't need to carry everything from class to class. Their parents should have a lot more important things to worry about in their life then if they can carry a backpack to class or not. This is a simple school rule that really in the big picture of life is not a big deal. And yes I did mean that the rule was changed to keep students from bringing things to class that should not be there, including drugs. If this is your biggest problem in life, feel lucky. Let's refocus on learning which is why your children are in school.

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Terri#1

6:32 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Agreed. School rules must be in place to keep students safe as much as humanly possible.The parents should allow the schools to do their job and respect their decisions.. The parents job is at home raising their kids correctly. Most of the parents complaining about their kids not being able to carry a backpack in school probably never attended a PTA meeting in their life.

GRANDBUBBA

5:02 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Give me a break,,, I have been out of school for a long long time, we only had a few minutes to get to classes and we all did just fine, If kids plan ahead they will have the books they need, Just go to your locker get what you need for the next few classes ect, don't spend too much time meeting with friends and talking ect. WE have to get kids ready for the real world and part of that is learning to plan out your day and take responsibilty for what you will need. I have to go from one meeting to another and I can't say "OH WAIT" I didn't have time to get what I needed..... I plan ahead and bring what I need in the first place....

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Richard Head

5:06 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

"Do backpacks contribute to a more dangerous and disruptive school environment? "

Just another argument that leads to the conclusion that public education has run it's course, and it's time to end it.

"Public Education" has become the Monopoly of Corporate School Districts who no longer educate students, but provide jobs for teachers, administrators, bus services, lunch services, janitorial services, and maintenance services. Education is no longer about education.

End the brick and mortar infrastructure expense, and allow children to train at home , at their own pace - or in Co-Ops run by parents.

Education in the 21st. Century:

Kahn Academy: http://www.khanacademy.org/

University of The People: http://www.uopeople.org/

Coursea: https://www.coursera.org/

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Apothic

5:12 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Leave it up to the parents???????? I just went to a curriculum night for my sons high school. In three of the classrooms I visited I was the only parent in the room. Parents are so disconnected to making education a priority in their childrens life that they only thing they can get fired up about it backbacks and you want to hand over the future of our education to them. Please NO!!!!!

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Ted

6:11 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

I bet Dora The Explorer would really be disappointed!

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Terri#1

6:25 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Randy1949: Nowhere in my comment did I make mention of the age of 18 being the age that kids are no longer kids. Also, we have seen the horrors of other schools dealing with shooting drugs etc. These kids don't need to be allowed to learn right from wrong by having their school next. The adults and administrators of schools have recognized these horrors and are banning backpack so that the kids don't have to learn that first hand. Ask the kids if they have any opinion on schools that have had incidents. The learning they should be doing is in a safe classroom. Yes, it may be a minority that hides guns and drugs in their pack, but all it takes is one minority to have a lot of dead and injured kids and a lot of grieving families. Like Columbine. If banning backpacks HELPS in ANY way to make a school more safe. They need to do it. And not having a backpack won't injure kids the way a kid with a gun in a backpack can injure many. We did not need backpacks when we went to school. These kids will survive fine without them. And let's not forget, if schools ban backpacks they do have the ability to change the time allowed bwtween classes by a minute or two.

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Randy1949

9:19 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

@Terri -- You've just made a wonderful case for home-schooling.

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Kelly

11:29 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

So, banning backpacks in your opinion will eliminate kids bringing guns and drugs to school? Um, the backpack can be brought to school. It just can't be used during the day. Do you seriously think that kids wouldn't bring drugs or a weapon to school because they can't carry their backpack? They can still go to their locker and access drugs/guns, etc...at any time. Eliminating backpacks does not help in any way to make schools more safe.

Theft is going to be the next big issue here. Do you know how much a calculator costs?

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Jim Price

6:43 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

One thing the story does not address and many in other communities may not know is that Waukesha West HS, more than most, is trying to deal with what many in that community have called an epidemic of heroin and illicit prescription opiate drug use (Oxycontin, Oxycodone, etc.). Over the past year, I have written extensively on one case in which a recent Waukesha West graduate died and another is going prison for her heroin overdose death – http://wauwatosa.patch.com/search?_utf8=%E2%98%83&keywords=Alexandra+Hopping+Heroin+Death

Ironically, the mother moved her daughter to Wauwatosa to escape the rampant narcotic drug use in Waukesha. But her circle of "friends" followed her here.

That's just one case, but the investigation showed that there was a deep-rooted culture of hard-core narcotic use and distribution at that high school.

I don't know that banning backpacks is the solution, but as editor in Wauwatosa, where school-assigned police officers conduct random searches with a drug-sniffing dog, both backpacks and lockers, not to mention cars and pockets, often turn up detectable contraband. But dogs can't sniff out everything, and they can't be used every day. It's sad that our schools need to be subject to such K9 investigations in the first place.

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Kelly

11:33 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

You couldn't be more accurate! Finally someone who speaks the truth. There isn't one parent who is against the ban who doesn't agree that there is a drug problem at any school, even West. But banning backpacks doesn't deter kids from bringing drugs to school. The will just simply hide it somewhere else. But a large majority of students do not use drugs and now they are not allowed to have backpacks because other students made poor decisions. At this point all students are considered guilty of carrying drugs until proven otherwise.

Delaney

7:24 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

How about the fact there are not enough lockers for all the students at Greenfield High School?

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Greg

8:20 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Give them shopping carts, that will at least prepare some of the students for their future.

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Daniel S.

9:02 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Let's see, no backpacks, no baggy clothes, no purse or shoulder bag. We could ban all clothes, have them start 30 minutes earlier, everyone goes through a body bacterial wash, mouth flush, head de-lice bath and then they put on a supplied disposable biodegradable paper outfit. You are not allowed to leave the building till your day is done, except for physical education; where you will have a locker to change into your disposable gym outfit. After gym, another complete body cleansing as earlier. No books will be needed in classrooms, and assignments will all be available on-line or in paper form for pickup on the way out of the building. Books will be for home use only; at school, all assignments will be available for reading and submission on computers. Just think how much safer and healthier society will be. While we're are it, no windows lower than 6 feet off the ground, they will not open and will be bullet proof glass. Yep, this could be really positive for the future of society. Oh yeah, no phones or other personal devices will be allowed while school is in session. All personal belongings will be left in your locker. Nothing but an ID and your body suit will be with you, during the school day.

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Louise

9:33 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

If parents would do their jobs and parent, this wouldn't be an issue. Teach your kids that there is OBJECTIVE right and wrong and good and bad, and moral and immoral. Parents don't think anything of just letting the culture raise their kids for.them. They get their ideas about the world from TV and the internet and not their parents. Do your job parents!

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vocal local 1

5:20 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Louise, Parents don't accompany children into the classroom and today, most schools require the parents to make an appointment to visit. Given, children learn most from their peer group. When in school they do as the other children do which often are behaviors the parents wouldn't tolerate in the home. The schools today are free child care centers and social arenas not respected as institutions of learning. Children are allowed to do pretty much as they please as instructors are limited in correction of undesired behaviors they can't even flunk the under or non achievers for fear of harming the child's ego/development not to mention the bullies on and on. Stop blaming the parents who in the limited time they spend with the kids versus the amount of time spent in school Monday thru Friday. CLOSE THE BLOODY UNSAFE SCHOOLS. Move into the twenty first century and put them on-line from the home base.

worried mother

11:06 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

exactly @ Louise ur so totaly right. i agree 100 percent like u said if Parents would do there jobs as parents we wouldnt be having these conversations. we r the ones setting the examples for our children weather they r at home or at school. and yes kelly i do understand this is about banning backpacks but at the same time there are other issues that aslo need to be address. there are just some parents that dont care.... smh

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Terri#1

6:33 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

Randy1949: I have no problem at all with home schooling. Many of my friends do so, ad their kids are stable well educated kids. :-)

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Dave

6:41 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

we should sew up all pockets in there pants they can carry pot and hand guns and knives

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N. Peske

9:58 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

Indeed! At a certain point, we need to be focusing on why kids bring weapons and drugs to school and what to do about it instead of remaining in reactive mode as we have been for decades.

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Randy1949

10:20 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

I'll point out that if someone is bent on bringing drugs to school there are places to hide them even if pockets are banned. How far are we going to go?

Mike B

8:18 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

I never had to carry a backpack around in high school. As others have said, if you have a couple classes that are far apart, just grab the stuff you need for two classes at once and go. Then head back to swap things out after that. However, it the school has actually shortened the time between classes, then this could be a problem.

I wouldn't expect someone to carry their entire Before-Lunch books around at the same time and then all the afternoon books around. There should be time between some classes to go to the locker. If their locker is organized, it's literally, open up, put in old books, grab out new books, go. Should take about 10 seconds. But if they're doing their hair, checking out their clothes, talking with friends, etc, then sure, they'll be late. Kids need to figure out that the priority when in school is learning. The priority before, after, or during lunch can be friends and chatting.

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Kelly

11:41 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

The bigger question is where should the kids put their books when they go to the bathroom? The floor? And then should they then put those same books on the table at lunch? The passing time at West is 4 minutes and this year after one tardy you will have a 60 minute detention after school, 3rd tarday a referral that goes on your school record for colleges to see.

I would love to hear one adult say that they have never left the house and not forgotten something, had to go home get it, and were then late to a meeting....adults forget things. These are kids we are talking about of course they are going to forget things. And have any of you heard about the new BLOCK schedule? On Tuesdays they don't have 4th and 8th hour on Wednesdays they don't have 3rd and 7th, Thursdays they don't have 2nd and 6th, Fridays....1st and 5th....Wow, I hope they don't forget which day it is...I know as an adult I NEVER FORGET what day it is.

Hanging out and "socializing" for 2 minutes before class is what high school is all about. They have all the time in the world to be "adults".

Ryan Spencer

10:22 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

i cant believe this would even come up should we send kids to school in straight jackets?

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Daniel S.

11:38 am on Monday, September 17, 2012

Why are they shortening the time between classes, what is the benefit to the educational process? When I was in HS it was 6 minutes; in a 2 block long building with 4 stories it was barely enough. You cannot expect youngsters to be like robots and not talk to friends or fix themselves only at lunch or after school. Get real, many adults do this all day long at their jobs, and some spend more time talking and fraternizing than working (even managers) : ( The real question is, what is the reward for our children upon graduation, what does the future hold for them, what do they have to look forward to? What is all this Education doing to make our Nation and the World a better place to live?

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Resident of O.C. Paul

12:15 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Back when I was going to school there was no need to haul everything except the kitchen sink to school. Only things needed in school were: a pen and pencil, books for the classes (kept in a locker unless required fir homework), notebooks, loose leaf paper (narrow ruled), a few sorted extras for geometry, medications if required by Doctors prescription, and a comb. Phones...no one needed a phone, and schools normally had a payphone in the lobby, or the office would allow you to use theirs in an emergency. Lockers used to bulge...Which mine was on the far end of the building and I would have to make a trip to it a few times a day, but always had enough time between classes (4 minutes) to get to my locker and the bathroom (if needed) and still made it to class on time...then again I wasn't stopping to talk to friends along the way.

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Matthew Schroeder

2:22 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

I have seen a number of comments along the lines of, "I didn't have a backpack when I was in high school and it was fine for me; it should be fine for them." Personally, I feel like an idiot for not thinking of using a backpack 25 years ago in high school. Yes, I carried multiple books at once, along with folders and writing utensils. And they were scattered, disorganized and hard to carry. Kids have more things nowadays — some useful, some wasteful — but having a way to carry and organize those things makes sense.

I'm sure at some point, people felt candles and horses and buggies were just fine for them and electric lights and cars were just symbols of a lazy, soft generation.

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Daniel S.

3:05 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Interesting comment, although there were "mailstraps" or "bookstraps" that we used when I was a youngun. I must disagree with kids have more nowadays. They should have less with the advent of modern technology and computers. Regardless of whether they Need to have more or not, backpacks should not be an issue. The real problem with backpacks is going to be the Back injuries the younger generation is going to be plagued with, due to overloading on growing bodies. The guns, weapons, drugs are not a result of backpack usage; it's Our Society and Poor Judgement being practiced from the Top to the Bottom and everywhere inbetween. Politicians, LE, Teachers, Athletes, Entertainers, Religious Leaders, the list goes on and on . . . . how do we address all these issues?

MFalls Girl

1:06 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

i think Hartland provides netbooks for kids

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Cassie Burckhardt

12:11 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

I personally think they should be able to carry them around, but have the teachers keep a eye on the students.

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