Actually it is the will of the people. If enough were to write in Walker on the ticket- it trumps a bunch of signatures, real or fake.
AND it saves the State $- something you wouldn't give a darn about.

lol dirty tricks You guys are a piece of work
Thank god for voter ID to keep you cheating trolls out of the polls.

Walker supporters have every right to make themselves look desperate and swarm.

and of course that does not happen with the ones who wrote the book on it

"one of several "fake Democrats" who ran in the Democratic primaries across the state. None was successful"

You can't fix stupid, but you can vote him out.

True, true. That's why they passed voter suppresion. TREASONOUS to deny even one person the right to vote. They did it to 10,000's. Seriously some of you will pay a very heavy price for this... Treason is a capitol offense.

no there arn't any honorable republicans left. and when the D.A gets to talk to walker he thinks he can hood wink the F.B.I but my money to bet goes to theF.B.I walker and his croonies think they are above the law. walker will talk himself right in to the jail cell that is waitng for him. he will never out smart the D.A. and the F.B.I and they need to go to washington and get reience preibus he is just as deeply involved in this as well and i wonder why the white house hasn't done an investigation on him for ethics violations. that will come next.

Walker is like the guy barred from a party who insists he will attend even though he is not wanted there. It is what the Teapubs and Corporations will do in the end if they can't get their way legally. They will force themselves ( Their ideas ) on you. They feel superior soley because of their monetary superiority compared to the average citizen and feel it gives them the right to force their agenda on the People!

This is an indication of the GOP/Teahadists fear of the democratic process. Mr. Walker lied his way in to office (a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing). A fellow conspirator of the Koch Brothers and ALEC to undermine the Unions in Wisconsin. Look up what ALEC is and does. They secretly plan legislation written by business concerns, meet with state and national level politicians and buy influence. It was no coincidence that similar laws were being proposed at the same time in several states across America. It was a well planned scheme to undermine the middle and working class of America to destroy the Unions and the Democratic Party. It was a collaborative effort by the Kochs and Alec to subvert the political process of Democracy. Now that the people have surprised them by rising up against this subversive tyranny, they are left with pouring money and goofy ideas to counteract the Democratic rights of the citizens of Wisconsin This latest effort of write in did not come from some citizen of Wisconsin, this came from out side forces to try to ruin the democratic process. The GOP has gotten into bed with a group of Big Business folks who have no interest in Democracy, they just want to buy control of the political process of our Great Nation, purely for profit. Money, Money, Money, Nothing else. The Teahadists have to take some of the blame for letting these foxes into the hen house.

$cott Walker backers leaving the same comments over and over. Fact is Walkers campaign was a pack of lies. Stand with walker and you stand with a liar. The current Wisconsin budget deficit for the 2011-2012 fiscal year is $2.99 billion, Wisconsin has lost 36,000 private sector jobs over the past 7 months. This does not include the 7,000 state workers he unemployed early on. He cut $800 Billion from education.. $3,3 Billion minus 0.8 Billion equals $2.5 Billion. What happened to the missing $500 million? Republicans are showing they are bad at math. Walker is being recalled because he is a BIG Liar and he is damaging the state each and every day he is in office. That is just based on facts If people have the time to waste to make a mockery of the process let them.

how about ACORN lol

Answer, Jim: NO!

The republican party is gone, no one left with a conscience or commen sense. These bastard will do anything to defeat democrates but american people can't be fooled twice. In 2010 GOP promise to create jobs.... but it turned out showing an extreme agenda against american people and to defeat democrates who always are on the middle class side.

NONE at all it seems, we know they are not patriotic. kinda silly, how will that work in their favor? Seems to me if Democrats vote for theirs, no way Walker can win in Dems primary, it does not stop the recall. He will face a Democrat in general election. They know how to get and waste money. With all the money spent to win a election, why not just pay it in taxes??!!

Will of the people? Really? 800 maybe. Look at the FB Account. Nice try though.

since walker has now invoked counsel, he might be a tad busy with his legal problems to care about being on a ballot...if like rod, in chicago, it goes badly for him, he perhaps will only be able to read about the events in wisconsin by buying a paper at the commissary.

The GOP is looking and acting more and more like the National Socialists of the Third Reich.
Some Republicans believe in Democracy, and so should vote Democratic in November.

Sadly, the last of the honorable republicans have all retired from the Senate or House. And are now left with the partisan hacks.

Looking over the comments, you seem to be missing the vileness of the tactics. Remember that Walker started with roughly half of the voters (allowing for turnout and disenfranchisement). Yes, he's lost some support, but as a vile political tactic it's hard to beat. If the Democrats run a real primary with several candidates, then the division among those candidates could give it to Walker. Even if the Democrats decide to effectively bypass the primary and nominate only one candidate, it will be hard for them to build up enthusiasm for a 'minor' primary election, and Walker's unified authoritarian anti-democratic fanatics might still win the primary. In essence, this gives Walker at least one more chance to fsck the voters of Wisconsin. Just when you thought American politics couldn't become any slimier.

Upon more reflection, I see this problem more clearly, which suggests a solution. The problem here is with weak rules being abused by rule-focused gamesters. The more general form is corrupt laws written by bribed politicians working for the least ethical businessmen. Squaring the circle, then the companies run by more ethical businessmen are required to recreate their companies in the image of the evil companies run by the unethical businessmen--the rules require cancerous growth or your company will be destroyed.

So aren't the Democrats forced to play the same kind of games with the rules? In this case, the evident solution is to eliminate the primary. If there is only one Democratic candidate, would the law still require a primary just to allow the opportunity for a write-in vote? It's possible, but that would be another problem with the rules, but if the rule allows for bypassing the primary when there is only one candidate, then the Democrats should try to unify BEFORE the primary to out-game the gamesters.

Not an optimal solution, but aren't the neo-GOP politicians forcing the believers in democracy to fight fire with fire? Gaming the system by some players forces everyone else to join in the mudfight. Then the politicians wonder why they don't get any respect? ROFLMAO.

I think you are misunderstanding what the 'weak rules' actually are, Shannon. It's the lax recall laws that are really the problem here...

No.

May I remind you that in the "dirty tricks department", Micky Mouse, Hitler, and Donald Duck, on the recall ballots, are not legit citizens of Wi. Where are the honorable democrats? Dems motto: Do as we tell you, not as we do. Little children who cannot have their way throw temper tantrums, and believe the ends justify the dishonest means!

@Mark Schoening -- Would you care to show me anywhere on the petitions that these three gentlemen appeared without being crossed off by the circulator? It was not in the interest of the recall petitioners to submit obviously spurious names. It WAS, however, in the interest of those who opposed the recall to sign as Mickey and Adolf to make the other side look bad.

I think it is hilarious though! Of course the Dems have no one to run a primary for....maybe I should run as a moderate democrat? Then people can write in Walker!
Probably won't work, but it would send a message. I wish I had thought of the idea myself.

Well then, it is on you to explain such a disruptive idea, to make a joke out of a legitimate political process. Screw the seriousness of voting rights and let's make a clever little move to confuse and disrupt the recall election. My friend, your ideological devotion to the new GOP/Teahadist Party has led you astray. You have allowed the influence of the Koch Brothers and ALEC (ck out Alec) to infiltrate your country in their profit driven motives to change the once great GOP into a negative, obstructionist party. They feel your disappointment and anger, and rather than suggesting a positive solution, they have made you more disappointed and angry, and where has that gotten you? It has riled up the opposition and now you have a recall election on your hands. Forget about your concern to get your country back, start with getting your Party back!!! Seriously, no clever stunts, get back control of your voice, stop letting other people do your thinking for you.

Quit using Koch Brothers and ALEC as a talking point........... Do you realize that ALEC is bi-partisan? How about you look up ncsl................ also bi-partisan...... good grief... can't believe all you parroting idiots that can't look into something before you spread garbage....

Here Cynthia

no Koch talking point here. Walker is serving him up as appitzers.

Ummm.. tasty Walker morsels.

lizfarrington Elizabeth
Crony cookies. Donor doughnuts. Koch Kringle. Fitzy fajitas. Gabelman guacamole. #walkersuperbowlparty

mourning are you 12?

You say, "I don't see how this is a demonstration of being "frightened by democracy and the will of the people" as Zielinski is claiming..."
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I suggest you think it through, CowDung. The people who want to vote for Walker in a Democratic primary are suggesting that the only way he can win is to run against himself, rather than a real opponent. If that's not fear of the will of the people, what is?

ha ha. Cynthia has lost her sense of humor.

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Cynthia

1:50 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

mourning are you 12?

JoAnne:

If you are so worried about Walker winning as a write-in, perhaps the candidates they are running aren't as strong as you think they are. It's not a matter of trying to subvert the will of the people--the will of the people will determine the outcome of the primaries, and the will of the people will determine the outcome of the general election (if there is one). The sooner this recall business is over, the better it will be for everyone. If writing in Walker during the dem primaries will speed things along, then I am all for it.

"mockery of civics"

Kindly educate us what that means.

Keith,

Lets start with the whole dynamic surrounding the fake Doctors notes to excuse the missing teachers. Then there is the strange open records/open meetings double standard; including the court nonsense that followed. Do I need to mention the occupiers and protestor behavior? Other than those (there is more) I think Dr Tim does a good job of breaking it down. http://www.timnerenz.com/2012/02/recall-recall.html

Mr. B, it was Walker himself that made a mockery of the this whole process by not mentioning a word of his intentions during the campaign and once in office sprang this shit on the people like a dirty slimy snake. If he had been honest he might not have won and I think the number of signatures turn in has proved my point.

Lemming: YOu apparently have not read other threads where it is a lety website showing Walker talking about the cuts, and pissin off the union stools. Talk about a fiiting name.

Union stools? LOL

How about GOP lazy boys?

Mr. B, none of what you cite has anything to do with the recall.

Thank you. Play again.

Warrior, by "I think the number of signatures turn in has proved my point" do you mean the abundance of signatures by Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, the Tooth Fairy, and any other ficticious character that is costing more time and money to weed out the true signatures? I don't see a point proven there of lack of ethics. Am I missing something?

@Concerned Citizen -- How many Donald Ducks have your eagle eyes found so far? How many Tooth Fairies? And please don't direct me to the ones that were crossed out by the circulators.

Made a mockery of civics. Spoken like a classic wing nut. No idea of which you speak, but that has not stopped the right in the past, why start now. Don't know? Make it up! Right out of the Becky/Fatty/Hannity who cares what is true hand book. You have been hoodwinked. I totally accept your right to disagree with the Dems, and dislike Obama, but at least base your comments and insights on facts and not sound bites you get from Becky/Fatty/Hannity the Holy Trinity of Misinformation. All I suggest is you try recovering your once great GOP from the clutches of people who only need you for ratings. Period! What have they offered you as to a positive solution to our ills, other than making you more disappointed and more angry. Can't you see that? I am not condemning your right to do what you wish, I am only pointing out that the GOP is perceived as a party of NO and obstructionist. Why so much anger and vitriol all the time. Where are the smiles and positive suggestions. NO is not progressive, it is dismissive and subversive. Get back control of your once great Conservative GOP. Chase out the Anger mongers. God bless you.

ah Mr.B- once again you don't see the big picture here. In every democratic upheaval there is bound to be mistakes made on both sides. Democracy is messy sometimes. Perhaps in your neat little suburban house with the perfect little lawn you'd like to just have everything in place. The truth is that ain't going to happen. Don't forget B that the only physical violence seen in the Walker induced chaos ( for which I thank him as he has brought together 100s of thousands of people together ) is that from the right. We saw physical attacks on petition gatherers.. We saw attacks on women carrying balloons. We saw the righteous right call petition signers and threaten them. Now B- a few doctors notes? The truth is B- everyone of those charges against demonstrators arrested was dismissed. Walker has made his little kingdom in Madison and now humpty is going to fall and and all his arrrested men won't be able to put him back together again.

I love how people that only started getting involved in politics in Feb. or later want to say that Gov. Walker never mentioned having public sector pay HALF of their 'fair' share.

"Our members oppose taking away their rights to collective bargaining, so they would definitely raise their voices against it," Christina Brey, speaking for the Wisconsin Education Association Council, said of Walker's plan.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/101771723.html

Walker wants to make it easier for school districts and local governments to buy insurance through a state-run health benefits program. Barrett would require local governments to insure their workers through a similar program, and he is interested in having schools eventually do the same.
How much money the proposals would save is a question. But both would require legislation.
That's because current state law makes it difficult if not impossible to make any changes in health benefits without the approval of the unions that represent government workers.
Under state law, health benefits that are part of an employee's total compensation are subject to collective bargaining.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/102748594.html

@Cynthia -- Please provide a link to where Scott Walker publicly states his intent to end collective bargaining for public workers prior to his election. A link to where someone speculates that this is what he will do is not the same as proving he campaigned on it.

randy, when was collective bargaining 'ended'??

@Cynthia -- Collective bargaining was 'ended' when most public sector unions lost the ability to bargain for working conditions and to bargain for increased salary above the rate of inflation. All after taking a cut in total compensation.

That's like saying a eunuch's sex life hasn't been 'ended' by castration. Maybe not, but it's been severely curtailed.

randy do you realize that Federal Employee's had this change decades ago? Do you realize that 28 States either limit or ban collective bargaining? If the public sector employees in WI wanted more privileges then they should be PISSED at their 'runaway' coward dem officials that refused Gov. Walkers compromise....

@Cynthia -- Yes, I realize that federal workers never had this. However, Wisconsin saw fit to give them that right fifty years ago. I also realize you are avoiding providing the link I asked for. Can't find an instance of Walker himself saying he'd 'strongly curtail' public union collective bargaining before his 2010 election.

There is no link to Gov. Walker campaigning on ENDING UNIONS......... BTW what unions were ENDED?

@Cynthia --I didn't ask you for a link to Scott Walker campaigning on ENDING UNIONS. I asked for a link to where he campaigned on strongly curtailing public union collective bargaining. Don't misquote me and pretend you're not evading the question.

Here's your answer anyway: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/

Mr. B.: Your position as to having fun, sums up a good deal of my problem with the Right, the inability to take the USA's problems seriously. I shows in the flimsy juvenile tit for tat comments on the thread, the negative and pessimistic attitude re: Our Great Land, the inability of the GOP/Teahadist party to Govern. They have spent 3 years trying to get rid of the SCOTUS, and no time governing. They have put ideology before Country. I would think if the GOP passed a jobs bill, maybe some bills that actually stimulate the economy, rather than more tax cut so for the rich, we may be in much better shape economically. Everything can not be Obama's fault, it's a 2 party system, and the GOP/Teahadist vote strictly by-partisan. Ideology before country. UN-patriotic. And another indicator of the lack of seriousness on your side of the aisle. So go ahead, have some fun at your neighbors expense, it you think it will solve some of the problems. It's still Juvenile behavior on the part of grownups who should know better than to look at the problems as a game of Gotcha!!

Writing in Walker's name on the primary ticket is legal, much more legal than a petition with felons signatures and the like.
I don't know hwy you would be scared of this, it is still a do over election which was your goal anyway. This gives you the do over but could save the taxpayors a lot of money if enough of us WRITE IN SCOTT WALKER!
I can hear the slogan already- save hundreds of dollars by WRITING IN WALKER in the primary.
All this is a moot point if there is not 540,000 real signatures verified.

Craig, there were twice as many sigs turned in--must pain you to realize that the people of Wisconsin are more powerful that the Koch-roach brother's money.....and for that I thank the Good Lord Jesus!

Felons can vote and sign in wisconsin so long as they are not on supervision/incacerated.
Of course CONServs have a problem with democracy and voting, so they enact varios mechanism to make it as difficult as possible.
One of their fav voter suppressions is deny someone the right to vote FOR LIFE(thankfully not WI) because they may or may not of commited a crime ONCE that could be as mundane as possesing a non-dangerous herb.

Lemming: Again, you should check you facts. It has been reported a million were turned in. Wait for the verification process to disallow [felons on paper] and duplicates. If you watch channel four news last night- there was several people who said they never signed on the petition. Channel 4, liberal media.
Roger Dodgeball: You must have been asleap for a few days- you're beating a dead horse. Look above in the [brackets].

I love how the dems out there didn't want to stand and duke it out so they ran for what Chicago was it? hee hee character you talk of lack of get real, then a bunch of union thugs bussed in to trash the capitol. gee whiz talk about pissing in the wind.

lyn wyn, your ignorance (which doesn't denote stupidity) has caused you to make an unfortunate faux pas--if you had read about the greatest Republican of all time, President Lincoln, you would discover that as a Senator he did exactly the same thing and for the same reason the Wisconsin Democrats did, to prevent a vote. I see it as a very brave and calculated move.

President Lincoln was gone for 2 hours...... (not over 3 weeks)

True, but if it plays out that way: Walker would win the democrat ticket and some libi would be a GOP... it would then go to a general election which Walker would win hands down. The difference is that would be more expensive and Walker would have to cut more to make up for the election costs. Either way- the unions will be screwed. Oh the dilemma they have in the Union Hall!

yes bow down to your true god: FEAR

Change the rule of the game and suffer the consequences of your action. You make it a tit for tat game and where does it end. Why not write in the Koch Brothers, they own Mr. Walker, get rid of the stooge mouth piece and let the Koch Brothers come out in to the light and speak directly to Wisconsin. Go to (ALEC.com) and see where Mr. Walker get his ideas. No way the anti union movement in the country was a coincidence, this was cooked up at ALEC w/ the Koch Brothers fingerprints all over it. The Kochs bought your state lock, stock and barrel. And they got it cheap. And what do Wisconsinites get in return, a political mess, neighbors hating neighbors. Back deal all around for the Badger State. Losing jobs, slipping economy, hostility. You have been hoodwinked by the GOP/Teahadist Party.

Too bad. Can you imagine Walker winning the democrat ticket? He would be entitled to all that Union campaign money.
ROFLMAO

He could win as a write-in for the Democratic primary, then the ballot in the general would read:
Walker(D)
Walker(R)

oh Boy, the cognitive dissonance that would cause!

We always do. We have the money. We have the power. We are better than them.

Is that what you said before the libs turned in the signatures, Steve--sounds like you're blowing air outofyourass and stinking up the place. People are winning this and not the Koch-roach brother's money. Buy ya a beer to cry in..... ;)

Have you looked at what they turned in? It's a joke
Good luck in a real election with voter ID.

no we all loose. The evidence is empirical, you know them job loses every month now as a result of the partisan attack on 100,000's of middle class workers... I mean you hate WI/America, then yeah it's a win I suppose...

Stevo: you sold your State on the cheap to the Koch Brothers and now you are reaping the results, recall election, job losses, slipping economy, slipping respect, which you worked so hard on over the years to make Wisconsin a shinning example of a Democracy loving state. Now with the help of Mr. Walker and his handlers the Koch Brothers and ALEC ( ALEC.COM) it is a state in chaos, a political joke. I suggest after the defeat of Mr. Walker, you start taking your once great GOP back for the clutches of the Moneyed interests and the Teahadists. Revive the long lost Grand Old Party. The GOP was once a beacon of Conservatism, now it is the Party of NO, Anger, Hatred, and Obstructionism. William Buckley is spinning in his grave. If he were alive today he would not recognize his much beloved GOP.

Do you keep koch brothers on a hot key?

How can you declare victory when you don't know how to begin to win. You guys suck air. Lame politics. Ideologically driven drivel. All, yadda, yadda, Tit for tat juvenile behavior. It appears to be all a game to you. Well have fun, but stay out of the way of the grownups trying to get things done.

Who's Dick Tate? The hero of a Nancy Drew novel?

He is a cross between a penis and a potato= dictate or Dictator.
Glad you asked :)

Stop making Wisconsin a bigger joke than it already is, just what you need is headlines like: GOP pulls an other fast one, to obstruct and undermine a core element of Democracy, the voting process. Wise up, the GOP/Teahadist cabal is dying a slow death, and you want to help it along by pulling a clever, vengeful stunt. Bright idea. Look like bigger losers than you all ready are. Where are the Intelligent GOP leaders, Oh right, they went into hiding out of shame. When this is all over, why not try organizing a plan to get your Party back form the clutches of Big Money, and profit lovers, who have taken over you party for their own ideological needs and none of which include you and your fellow devote GOPers. You have been hoodwinked. The DEMs aren't your enemy, you are your own enemy. You have successfully destroyed or allowed to be destroyed, the once great GOP.

Oh the fun we are having with hummm 'what the falk was her name? '

How is this a case of not knowing the rules?

Can you read? Jameson that was already talked about above.

By the comment on this tread by the voices of the Right. It is some kind of school recess game to them. Name calling, laughing at the competition, fear in their voice they may have to eat crow. It's the most juvenile discussion about a serious issue. But, I have come to expect that when dealing with the Right and their narrow mindedness and negativity. Ask a question get a rude childish riposte.

That's what they're afraid of.

Very logical thinking, congrats on a wise summation of the situation.

Thanks for clarification, Nick.
But we still can write him in right?

Thank you Nick for a comment that is factual and non-partisan. Very little of that goes on here.

Yes craig you can write in Scott Walker, nothing precludes you from doing that. however, given that write-in candidacies almost never ever work at this level(Murkowski in AK was only the second ever to win a Senate race via write-in) you'd be better served voting for someone on the ballot.

Learn to reply to the correct post
Practice 6am sharp

Write in johnny thomas.... by the time the election rolls around he won't be able to hold office due to felony charges..................

andrea: Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were young?

andrea, for persons who are passionate, who have strong feelings about political issues, posting is an enjoyable activity no matter how it is received.
This is the psycho-dynamic--
Anytime we are experiencing a strong emotion our response to the state is heightened anxiety. That is why we shout, cry, sing, dance, stomp, etc. The anxiety pushes us to expression, we emote and the anxiety decreases and we feel better.
Some of us don't post as an expression of emotion but to see if anyone listens to us and to think "out loud" and see if our thinking can be improved upon.
As I'm primarily liberal in my opinions, I need to read/hear conservatives otherwise I don't get any wiser. I think this is true w/regard to religion as well as politics.

And it's been my experience that there are both closed minds and also people worth listening to at both ends of the political (and theological) spectrum. So hang in there. Or here. :-)

Amen, Andrea. These days it seems that Patch's main purpose is to poke a stick at the political beehive. Then we all get to sit back and watch in disbelief as anonymous neighbors hurl childish insults back and forth, but mostly it's a forum for Republicans to gather to beat their chests since most of the sane Dems have realized that trying to maintain civil discourse with these people is a huge waste of time.

Keep fighting the good fight, Andrea. And thank you.

Craig your one liners of crusty cliches are oh so clever! Thank god for the internets! I feel sorry for what ever used to have to listen to your drivel before this.

Thank you roger, your wife likes them too.

Your comment is a good example of TeaParty nonsense and disruption of a conversation that is trying to take place.
It is a type of bullying that is disgusting!

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Craig

12:13 pm on Friday, February 3, 2012

andrea: Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were young?

Recall signatures have been made public. There are many people who did not sign for this reason alone. They are afraid of retribution from their employer. They are afraid of their information being made public to people they may have restraining orders against, ex-relationships, etc. Fear stopped them at that point. Nothing will stop them at the polls

Cept that the GOP is the majority party and their big ideas fixed this state

The once great GOP has been taken over by the Koch Brothers, ALEC and the Teahadists. Thy have exploited the frustration, disappointment and anger of the loyal Republicans via the Triad of Becky/Fatty/Hannity. Do these guys ever propose a solution that isnt based on Vitriol, hatred and anger. Every word that comes out of their mouths is dripping with contempt and anger. Other than their persistent hate driven anti Liberal invective what have they offered to their listeners. Where are any concrete ideas. Where are their solution to jobs, and other economic woes. It can't just be a constant drum beat of hate Obama. They are losing that battle. They are driving the GOP into the ground. Painting it into a hate filled, vindictive, obstructionist Party. Forget about getting your country back, you should be concerned with getting your party back.

@Steve - Wisconsin is the only state in the union to experience seven straight months of job losses, even while the country gained private sector jobs. Job losses in the second half of 2011 (you know, when walker's budget took full effect) completely negated the ~38k jobs created in the tail end of Doyle's budget.

Via the WI DWD: http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/oea/unemployment_rates_and_labor_force_estimates/state_comparisons_12_11.xls

If that's what you mean by "fixed" I bet you misunderstand "democracy", too.

Keep playing political football and no one will want to invest in this state
But you guys are rooting for job losses
Or we can play the Obama game and claim "jobs saved"
I suppose we could have laid of thousands of public union employees instead of fixing the budget in a manor that kept them employed.

Just saying nothing!

Reuben,
Because the election is specifically to recall Scott Walker no competitive primary will be held. I don't think this would preclude anyone, GOP or Dem or independent from pursuing placement on the ballot and running a campaign.

@Don... You have an interesting point, in that 'independent' or 'third party' candidates could appear on the ballot for the general election.
If the barriers to entry are low, we could have a dozen Independents running for Governor. Anyone know what it takes to get placed on the ballot, as an Independent candidate for Governor?

I would think that they would just have to collect the required number of signatures, and file the appropriate paperwork with the GAB...

http://gab.wi.gov/sites/default/files/gab_forms/3/gab_166_nom_paper_gov_lieut_gov_fillable_rev_9__14074.pdf

Reuban's comment makes me somehow want to make a sandwich.

FORETELL this.

You mean the Republicans are all going to heaven and the dems/liberals will be "Left behind" Good series of books BTW

I would suggest more like a pimple that needs to be popped.

The bigger concern is that Mr. Walker was brought out of the background of the GOP, a low level bureaucrat who was with the help of his willingness to march to the tune of the Koch Brothers and ALEC, found himself as Governor of Wisconsin, and promptly went to work to pay back his masters, by introducing legislation cooked up at an ALEC conference, to systematically destroy the unions. In hind sight the Koch Brothers and ALEC realized they underestimated the citizens of the state they thought they had bought. Their stooge is about to be recalled, the citizens have risen up against this wholesale purchase of political power by the Moneyed Interests on the right. They see it this way: If you can't beat the Left at the ballot box, by the ballot box. Insert your stooge, and get what you want. Well it isn't working in Wisconsin. And hopefully the influence of the Koch Brothers and ALEC will be exposed for the tyrannical group it is.

Our state hasn't exactly showered itself in glory with all the slimy dirty election tricks that we have pulled the last few years. Or have we already forgotten some of the sleezy stuff Jim Doyle pulled? Oh, wait, that was our guy though....

But it definitely would give the pundits something to talk about. Who knows, it might drive tourism up, too. People might actually want to see for themselves the reality TV show that our state has become.

The only result of this chicanery , will be the enhancement of an already negative image the GOP has inflicted upon itself. They have sold out their party to the Teahadists, The Koch Brothers and ALEC, and allow themselves to be spoken for by: Becky/Fatty/Hannity the Troika of misinformation. The Republicans of Wisconsin better regroup and get their party back from the clutches of The Koch Heads, ALEC and Becky/Fatty/ Hannity and FOX "News." The once great Grand Old Party needs to repent, pray for guidance and return to it's roots of being a proud political party.

Ya they are really flocking Obama is a huge it.

Nov 2010 wasn't that long ago, better check the memory

Hatrick: if that were true they would be flocking nuts!

Any one on the right not experiencing dyspepsia today? Unemployment went down, job growth for January exceeded expectations, the Dow is approaching 13,000. Nasdaq up to the highest in 11 years, no Iraq war, no Osama Bin Laden and 18 of his top leaders. The light at the end of the tunnel must be blinding to all the haters of The President of the United States of America. The leader of the most powerful and successful country on earth. Pepto Bismol anyone? Perhaps Tums!

Have you not been watching the polls on the amount of people leaving the democrat party? Thank obama and occupy for them leaving you................

Go for it, This must be why Graeme Z. says we are "frightened by democracy". But in the end, I think good policy will be the rule of the day and Governor Walker will be here for several terms.

Great Greg. Sounds like the death threats and rioting behavior common with your side Keep it up. By the way do you work for someone who pays you a salary.

Next job is to get rid of the Koch Brothers, the cancer that is killing the Grand Old Party and Wisconsin. They bought Mr. Walker and the GOP, and what they got was political chaos. The blemishing of a great tradition of Democracy that Wisconsin had always stood for. It your going to get rid of Mr. Walker, you should make a clean sweep of it, get rid of the vermin who paid to get him in and take control of your state.

Greg ? Have you read the paper lately?

It will doubtless trickle down from the media outlets to the inner-city poor, the foreclosed, and the unemployed as the republican theorists would expect.

What does this even mean? Who are you calling a Nazi? You jest about Kristallnacht?

I think Teahadists would be a better word than Nazis. With the Koch Brothers, ALEC and the Teahadists and their media spokesmen BECKY/FATTY/HANNITY, the GOP has been shanghaied into becoming the foot soldiers for the Moneyed Interests who would benefit from the destruction of the unions and the Democratic party, unfortunately the victims turned out to be the GOP. Ya'll got hoodwink my dear Republicans, you have lain down with dogs and got up with fleas. They have torpedoed your Grand Old Party. And you let them do it. Shame on you.

William are you paid every time you mention Koch Brothers or ALEC? Again research .......

And WEA trust was?

WEA Trust, whatever your question or issue is, a political and financial drop in the bucket compared to the issues our state and country faces.

Bren do you work for someone?

Bren,
In your mind. I think our state is heading in the right direction. As for our country, we (WI) are doing better than most and much better than IL.
The 18% of Wisconsin workers, that are in public unions, are the drop in the bucket.

Greg, the issue has gone far beyond union busting. According to the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Wisconsin had approximately 214,000 public sector workers in 2009. That number has gone down with approximately 8,000 layoffs and approximately 21,000 overall to be scheduled from the state payroll (through layoffs, unfilled positions and transfer to crony appointments). There were 1,000,000 signatures collected for Scott Walker alone (and yes, some of those will be thrown out).

Mark, I do have a job.

Because the GOP/Teahadists have become masochists. They have allowed them selves to be hijacked by the extreme right that has a very narrow agenda. They are fixated in dismantleing the New Deal. They are wasting all of their political currency on getting rid of Obama. rather than contributing to the betterment of the country they are intent on obstructing progress to achieve a very narrow goal, that of upsetting Obama in November. And the result of all of this wasted political currency is diminished power. They have chosen to be the Party of NO and obstructionism. They are dying in the polls, they are stuck with Newtron and Mitty. This is what the Teahadists have laid on the Grand Old Party. And the Re3publicans have no one to blame but themselves. They sold out their pride and the GOP.

Good Grief now bren has to rely on the talking point Koch Brothers and ALEC........

Good grief Cynthia, spare me your histrionics and do some research on the Koch brothers and ALEC.

Cynthia is a BORG along with Walker. She believes in ALEC and Walker.

...............
Bren

9:46 pm on Sunday, February 5, 2012

Good grief Cynthia, spare me your histrionics and do some research on the Koch brothers and ALEC.

I have bren........... you should too, then school mourning..............

Who told you that???

That is wrong. Like Greg said, "Who told you that???" Check your facts, I don't think you are correct. Let us know what you come up with.

lol where did this come from

We already did this with Pasch, forced a primary to give more time to fund raise. Worked like a charm, Alberta won in a landslide and no one knows what part of the lake Sandy was dumped in by the union.

Mark=Idiot

#1 is a lie. Look face it, there are a million almost all valid signatures. MOST of the invalid ones are probably by republicans trying to muck up the process. You know, agent provacatuers. It's a classic play from their book of dirty tricks. Accuse the oppostion of what you are doing.
#2 collective bargaining has NOTHING to do with the budget. WalKKKer actaully admitted this, probably because he was under oath in front of congress...
#3 the uncertainty is being caused by republicans. Was there uncertainty in wisconsin before this? NOPE. Then these craven corporate whore came and and jammed through a bunch of crazy/partisan ALEC bs and yeah, companies are taking note. They see it as a pay to play situation. That is not a good thing FYI. We were about to get three major wind farms(jobs). Of course the repubs represent to polluters, so they made it next to impossible to put up turbines ANYWHERE. So yeah there's your uncertainty...
#4 this one is self evident, that in the very least it's not this pathetic weasel of a hack, this despicable lier and cheat, walKKKer...

"Privatize everything" is Scott Walker's intention. The Union stuff is an exercise in media misdirection. Not really an essential element of his master plan.

You make comments of the fake names and those who felt the need to show the recall effort enought signatures could be obtained. And that the fake signatures were done my the recallers. Has any one looked at the repubs signing the recall petitions in hope that there would be enought to be invalidated?
You ask if you give bargaining rights back to the state worker, how will the state budget be balanced (a claim that awhile back that the budget was met by stateworks and middle class state employeess.) Many tax problems could be fixed by raiseing the state sales tax; Then business taxes would stay low and that should help the business owners and then the businesses could give out decent livable wages and decent benefits, not just the bottom line and CEOs taking all the money. If walker wins the recall heaven forbid, he will have to raise taxes soon. Because he took every thing he could from the public sector. Now he wants to play with the best pension plan in the states. The way I see it the rich don't want the middle class to have what they have and the private sector middle class doesn't want the public middle class to have nothing as well. Because we had good benefits scooter backers are a bit jealous and I hear them say if I can't have they can't. Walker has lowered paychecks and as caused undo hardships for thousands. I do not care if the tax payer has to foot the bill for the recall. the taxpayer through walker took from me. Turn around is fair play

Nick:

Requiring the union members to make the concessions that Walker has called for necessarily goes along with restricting their ability to bargain collectively.

I'm not sure I understand your point about workers taking risks. We are talking about public unions, working for government under public oversight. We aren't talking about people working for greedy, robber barons that are motivated only by profit and are unaccountable for their actions.

He said he was going to balance the budget, he said he was going to cut state aid, he said he was going to give local control, what part didn't you get?
The unions were raping the tax payers (i.e. WEA trust), they, the unions, said they would not take cuts. They even said they would go to war.
I work in the private sector and could not be happier with the reforms.

nick if you do a goggle search you will find over 30 news articles and video clips where Gov. Walker talked about public sector paying HALF their 'fair' share of benefits... and the unions responded ........

"Our members oppose taking away their rights to collective bargaining, so they would definitely raise their voices against it," Christina Brey, speaking for the Wisconsin Education Association Council, said of Walker's plan.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/101771723.html

@Cynthia -- Again, please show a link of Gov. Walker promising to end collective bargaining in addition to making public workers pay a portion of benefits. Not just the unions responding to what they feared might happen.

He never promised to END collective bargaining............ if he did he broke his promise because collective bargaining did NOT END.

Again, Cynthia, provide me a link to anywhere during his campaign where Scott Walker said he would 'significantly alter' some unions' bargaining rights, as he ultimately did. All you are doing is arguing semantics.

So are you...............

@Cynthia -- Never mind, not that I think you were wasting any time chasing down links and quotes that don't exist. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/

Did doyle campaign on robbing funds and not paying back loans?

randy so you finally admit where you get your so called facts.... politifact..........LOL

Do you ever read the closing statements and the grey line in passing their judgement? Do you rate them factual? Interesting........... BTW

So secret, we don't know where it is either.

You’ve followed a link to a page that doesn’t exist. Please use the navigation or search box above or try starting over from our main page.

Don’t worry; we’ve notified someone that this page is missing.

I have researched and found articles dating back to Aug. 2009 with Gov. Walker talking about having public sector pay a share of their benefits..... Also there are other articles discussing the corrupt practices in the public sector unions. If you are that naive to not realize that changes have to be done to bargaining....... such as the unions pointed out then you sure don't understand unions and the bargaining practices.

I hope you have someone else look over any Legal documents you might need to sign......

@Cynthia -- I figured you'd turn up your Conservative nose at Politifact. Probably because it has a habit recently of printing thing you don't care the hear.

But it's easy -- just link me to a quote of Walker's saying he's planning to make such drastic changes to public sector collective bargaining out where the general public could read it and be aware of it -- union reps saying they're worried he'll do it doesn't count -- and you'll have proved Politifact wrong.

And then you'll have addressed the complaints of quite a few people who voted for Gov. Walker having no idea how far he planned to go, and now wish they hadn't.

randy have you noticed not one democrat party truth? Almost every dem official false or pants on fire.... But I guess that does not bother you...............

Better write in an attorney for Walker.

How about the real power behind Mr. Walker? Write in the Koch Brothers they have owned the state since Scotty took office. You would be getting 2 heads for the price of one, and that way they won't have the Dimwit they backed to contend with.
They are Mr. Walker's brain. How do you think it was so easy for a DJ to get Scotty on the phone. He said he was a Koch Brother, the puppet master. Scotty took that call immediately. He's a stooge for the Koch Heads and they have him running all over pushing their anti union agenda. If he gets recalled the Kochers have a nice cushy job waiting for Scotty in Cali. They'll even send a private jet for him.

CowDung One thing you must remember. Marty Biel was not in charge of all state unions. Walker would not sit down and talk to any of the unions. Not all unions in State Government belonged to ASCME.

Are you saying that the unions don't stand together in solidarity?

I wonder how many actually understand Collective Bargaining and that it is not a right.

This is a democracy, If we say collective bargaining is a right(union/petition) then it IS. Oh groups of people can not assemble and petition? Best go reread THE CONSTITUTION FOOL.

Roger you fool. This was never a democracy. You undoubtedly do not know what one is. We are a democratic republic...any of that ring a bell in the wide open spaces between your ears?

There would have been many. Contributing to my pension only helps my self. Health care cost are getting higher and higher and would have been willing to help there. But walker is lying about the amount he taken from us for the health insurance. I believe we were going to be paying 12. percent something and It will be towards our premiums. Now there is also a co-insurance clause that was not told us. I think it will be even worse come 2013. I also believe that there are many non-union Wisconsinites signed recall petitions because they believe in unions and workers rights. In the past Wisconsin fought hard for unions and that helped other
states. I also think that they did not like the way he went about things very secretive and not up front. And he speaks about transparencies in government I strongly beleive that Walker would never had been Elected if everyone knew what he was going to do.

First off, what ever a union employee earns including benefits is their pay package. They pay 100% of their benefits. It is their pay package. Benefits are an additional part of their salary. They get paid via a pay check and benefits. They could be paid a lot bigger pay check or a combination of benefits and salary. So, in essence they pay 100% towards their benefits. So when they offer a little they are offering a lot.

Even the NLRB does not give collective bargaining 'rights' to public sector....

*
The National Labor Relations Act covers most private-sector employers. Excluded from coverage under the NLRA
are public-sector employees,

http://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/EmployeeRightsPoster11x17_Final.pdf

wendy be grateful......... Most Federal workers pay their FULL 'fair' share of benefits which is 25%. Now go around and ask your neighbors and friends what they pay....

You don't have 1,000,000 signatures stop lying to yourself

LOL 1 MILLION SIGNATURES WITH 40 PERCENT FRAUD ........Walker will win by a larger margin this go around than he did before. Success tends to do that!

as long as it is not your money right dodgeballs?

People take you seriously when you type walKKKer

but only on the daily kos

Skinny Dude: Well in deference to the crappy attitude of the GOP, the recall folks decided to exceed the required number of signatures to off set some chicanery on the right to try to rigged the signature votes with some low class stunt. They turned in 1 million signatures much to the surprise and disappointment of the Tehadists and the Whiners on the Right. Read it and weep. Your stooge is going down.

It wasn't that Walker never came to the table to talk. In December 2010, the Union leadership (Martin Beil) told Walker directly that the union will not make any concessions. After such a definitive statement was made on the part of the unions, what use would there have been to even try to negotiate with them?

@Adam -- The union-busting was never about saving the state money. It was about crippling a source of funding so that President Obama would lose Wisconsin in 2012.

Scott Fitzgerald admitted this flat out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLJdijPEBJE

we had agreed to concessions...we voted on a contract that gave us over a 6% paycut along with furlough days...so where that came from i don't know. but so everyone knows we have been taking paycuts every year since 2005...i haven't had a raise since then...before this all went down i lost over $150 a month since 2005...so to say that public employees have never taken concessions was a lie...now after this, it was an additional $400 a month. But that was never the issue...it was about having a voice at work...Its a little different working for the state than it is working in the private sector...all we wanted was to have a voice when it came to our working conditions...you arent a valued employee...you are just a body in a chair. so just wanted everyone to know that.

yes randy i seen that also...scott walker also admitted that when he was put on the spot in washington

Nobody is claiming that public employees have never made concessions. What I'm stating is that Martin Biel refused to even consider making concessions when Walker brought it up.

Collective bargaining is not a right you ever held
You can only bargain so far with tax payers. Welcome to the recession

Shame on the rich!
Where is the end of the line for free food and smokes?
That is what this is all about isn't it booger?

It is not over a million. This is the problem with you stools, you hear some propaganda crap and buy into it. First it was 1.9 miilion, then later it was 1.9 total. Then it was a miilion against Walker. Numerous accounts of fraudulent signatures on channel 4 last night. Numerous accounts of felons on paper signing. Wait for the final count of real signatures.

Democratic voter turn out in a primary is roughly 13%.. Considering there are 6 to 9 candidates splitting the vote, it will only take about 70,000 write in votes for Walker to win the Democratic primary.

@B.Informed.... Where did you find these oh so clever and intelligent conservatives? I certainly have seen many of them postin on the Patch. What I see her is name callers like Craig.

And Craig, here it is slowly. The 1.9 million signatures were those to recall Walker, those to recall Kleefisch and the various Senators. Is really that hard to grasp?

Also Craig, when that many signatures are gathered by a large number of people, errors and mistakes will creep in. That's why many more signature that are required were gathered. If even 30% of the signatures are voided that would still leave far more than are required to hold Walker accountable.

Now is that a simple enough explanation, or do you need it written in crayon?

Mrs Feel: Read back over my post and tell me where I am wrong. You seem to be correcting me with the same information I stated.
BUT I do find it odd you are confessing 30% are fraudulent. Big deal right? Still enough to force a recall.
But doesn't the public have a right to know the truth?

Yeah Mrs Feel. I figured you would ignore that. Afraid of the truth huh? Typical liberal, argue until you lost and then not conceed the error of your ways.
Pretend it never happened.

SkinDude: Are they the same polls that don't matter when they don't go your way. Like the polls that have the President of the United States of America knocking off those stooges you call candidates, It that what your saying, Ducky? I am on the Left and my feelings lean more towards sympathy for the once great GOP which has been destroyed by the Teahadist and Wing Nuts on the Right.

I get paid pretty nicely by the Koch's to type on the interweb. I think Craig has a normal job and comes here to watch you guys make fools of yourself.

steve and cfaig , you're idiots with too much tome on your hands! first of all, you beleive everything that rush and faux news tell you. then you get confused when more then one guy named john claim that your paid teabag bloggers! thanks for the laugh idiots! now waste your whole sunday trying to get back at me ! maybe snotty scotty can join you soon! because he won't have much to do after the recall!
the koch bros are going to cut his puppet strings and he will be left there like a spineless lump of nothing like craug and steve already are.

John: Craig and Steve both use the BECKY/FATTY & HANNITY Playbook for witty responses. That explains the vitriol and uninformed FOX indoctrinated contempt for apposing points of view and The President of the United States of America. The leader of the most successful country on the planet. A leader respected by all leaders of the world, except Messrs. Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes and the viewers of FAUX NEWS.

I can tell you both are not paid posters. Paid posters, like myself, are a lot more creative and are able to back those on the left into corners. Once in a corner the poster gets scared, frustrated and can not think clearly anymore. They result to personal attacks and misspell news organizations and political parties. They name drop random people and type gibberish because once in the internet corner it is their last defense.

@Steve
You are full of gibberish.

............
Steve

8:59 am on Monday, February 6, 2012

I can tell you both are not paid posters. Paid posters, like myself, are a lot more creative and are able to back those on the left into corners. Once in a corner the poster gets scared, frustrated and can not think clearly anymore. They result to personal attacks and misspell news organizations and political parties. They name drop random people and type gibberish because once in the internet corner it is their last defense.

Never mind, Craig is paid too. Maybe I will see him at this years Christmas party. I mean holiday party, I mean festival of lights party.

Steve- this year make sure you don't run your British crap into my Italian sportscar again. I wasn't too happy driving that cheap Audi while mine went in the shop.
But on the bright side it forced me to stimulate the economy and buy a new one!

I sorry. Better to support an Italian car company than Obama motors.

Craig: Pinhead, think of that one yourself. I think I sense a Bill-O Head. And possibly a devotee of BECKY/FATTY & HANNITY. Where would such witty, uninformed but, succinct riposte come from. Certainty not from your head. The over use of Bill-O and BECKY/FATTY & HANNITY-isms points to my doubts you come up with much on your own. Ain't that right, Ducky?

Personal insults
What a surprise coming from the left
Sorry Obama sucks so bad that it resulted in these insults, but keep believing in that hope and change.

Eib: Billo, fatty and hanity? I don't get the cartoon network, nor do I watch the boob tube. I suppose PBS taught to to use words like Teahaddist?

You can delete your comments and correct yourself hop god

A good chiropractor can balance the backs of the middle class.

Mr, Educated went to the school of hard knox, I guess.
Pot meet Kettle
ooopie
pinhead was right

It amazes me how blind they are to the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS in tax credits and grants doyle dished out................. LOL

If you want to work inside my house you can clean toilets. I have to warn you though, you may have to pay for part of your benefits.
But you can lick the bowl!

lol. Burn all that union money on legal fees as it is running out. Brilliant plan

For those who enjoy debate, repartee (not necessarily witty), and wrangling with ideas, I guess this is the forum. I enjoy hearing multiple sides of ideas too and I get that from friends and neighbors. You know face-to-face rather than in-your-face.

And no Craig, I didn't eat paint chips as a child. Were you the guy yelling out his window at me in Waukesha as I was collecting recall signatures? He said the same thing and then showed me a mitten. I think it was supposed to be a finger, but it was really cold that day

andrea: No I was not the guy in Waukesha, and that was probably not a mitten !
:-)

Sorry Porktaker, but how is asking teachers to make small contributions to their pensions and health care sacrificing our children's educational future? Real taxpayers pay double that and get less in return. If you want monopoly public schools to be run by public employee unions then the taxpayers get something to say about pay and benefits.

When the democrats and Jim Doyle controlled both houses of the legislature and the governor's office they passed (AB) 172 and Wisconsin became the only state in the union to compel the teaching of "the history of organized labor in America and the collective bargaining process" in the classroom. Did you really believe that when the republicans and Scott Walker controlled the legislature they would "negotiate" a reduction in the collectivist excess or just put a stop to it?

Your clumsy effort to blame any reduction in teachers pay and benefits on tax cuts for evil corporations only proves you to be the stupid partisan hack. Please link to any credible "reports" of how Walker is incurring massive debt or losing jobs relative to his predecessors.

But you approved all the years that doyle was doing it? To top it off you approved of doyle's last year giving tax breaks, cutting education funding even while receiving 1 time Educational Federal Stimulus Funding?

Now that's not nice Michael. Only the right wing extremists resort to violence as seen in their physical attacks on petition gatherers.

Oregon? I guess that explains your views. We don't think much of you pot heads around here.

Comment from a person that has the State (Oregon) with 47 kids in a classroom that the unions TRIED to blame in WI..........

You always know when you have a liberal backed into a corner, they resort to personal attacks and sometimes even death threats.

There's a good chance that all that money that Walker is raising will backfire on him, just like it did to Carla Fiorini and Meg Whitman in California.

2010 too far of a memory for you Joe?

Mind your business in Libbyland Michael Irving. Your threats are a violation of terms of use. Intrastate threats are a federal crime. Not enough in Oregon for you to screw up so you have to go all the way to Wisconsin?
Get a life.

Win on issues ? Walker won the election on issues! This recall is a union funded effort cause the extreme left didnt like losing on the issues !

Skinny- won on issues? False scumbag lying issues I might add.

they had good teachers. The Democrats

You didn't see this coming mourning?

Something is cooking real good, that is for sure.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/wisconsin-gop-scott-walker-lawyer

...Meanwhile, Walker claims he won’t be charging the state for his legal fees. It may be that if he uses public money, the people might have a right to information that he would prefer be kept secret. It looks like Walker’s national fundraising probably had less to do with his recall than it does with establishing a legal defense fund. After all, he has already paid the law firm that includes his attorney at least $100,000.00

The lawyers Walker hired specialize in real estate and and complex criminal law:,,,

Scott Walker Lawyers Up as John Doe Investigation Stalks Wisconsin GOP

Wow, the Governor is lawyering up with "out of state lawyers". I suspect that Walker will have to plead blindness to get out of this one.

He didn't "see" the routers and laptops being used in his office. He didn't "see" the timestamps on the emails that were sent during county working hours.

Also, I thought that TEAPulicans were big on "tort reform" because lawyers are just out to bilk their clients and the public. Apparently a different view is taken when one's own butt is on the line.

Anyone who has ever worked in an office environment knows that nothing goes unnoticed by the others in the area. That Walker didn't know what was going on is just utterly ridiculous.

I do kind of like the idea of that Orange jump suit being worn at the "privatized prison".

You must have x-ray vision to know what routers and laptops are used for just by looking at them (was Scott Walker the County Executive or the IT manager?) Anyone who has ever worked in an office knows that employee behavior changes for the better when the boss is standing in front of them, especially if he's on record as saying it's improper to use county resources to do political work or to do political work on county time.

You don't actually know the difference between a legal tort and criminal violations do you Mrs Peel? Gosh, why would Walker want to bother with lawyers when the media and the partisan liberal mob are willing to serve as judge, jury and executioner?

Because he has nothing to hide he is voluntarily cooperating with Milwaukee County prosecutors so when he is ultimately exonerated will his overzealous critics eat crow or will the whole episode just slide down the memory hole and be replaced with the latest falsehood?

How's that hope and change working for you out there in Oregon Michelle?

Well Craig- they just won another seat in Oregon. By a landslide.

Lefty: Of course they did- it's Oregon. Oregon should have a pot leaf on their licence plates.
No worries, when the big one hits they will float off into the ocean taking the dopers along.

well time will tell and the time is coming soon BTW I hope you're enjoying all that hope and change especially after filling up at the pump or grocery shopping. if GB hadn't gotten the price of a gal of gas down when he did I think the 'you owe me' crowd would have been flinging balls of fire at the white house and not just burning the guy in effigy.

Stanley Stanley Stanley- you are dreaming. Getting better and better?

Are you saying a Baby Boomer Eradication Program in the our future?

@Jerome Fortier -- I've been sensing that in the wind for a while. Suddenly the murmur is that the Baby Boomers caused all of this and are now 'greedy' for expecting the taxpayers to support us in our retirement. Never mind that we spent our working lives supporting the Greatest Generation (some of whom are still around and voting conservative) -- we made the mess and should be cut loose.

I saved on my own for retirement, saw my IRAs get hammered in 2001 and 2008. I've been thinking that if I can just make it to 65 I'll be able to get medical coverage again, and If I can make it to 66 I'll have a little help with the income too. And then, where does Paul Ryan see the biggest opportunity for savings? You guessed it.

We really don't need your racist slop thrown in here too- stay in your own state's issues, we have enough Libitards here.

Well- he might have a number by then.

Do you really want Rebecca Kleefisch as our Governor?

There isn't a brain in the head of any of you loser lefties, and Mary Smart is the queen of stupid. What hard evidence do you have?

It will be like shooting Kleefisch in a barrel.

It's sunrise Wonderful. You are dreaming.

Because of the Unions, you have a decent work week, a fairly decent wage and maybe some benefits. Not because of big business. If and when the unions fall, and that is a big if, watch and see how many lose. Read your history on unions and how they helped all workers in the county. Yes unions are still needed. Look at the cuts in salary and benefits in the private sector and look at who is making the money. Hint: it is not the workers in any company

and didn't FDR say there's no place for unions in the public sector? close to this anyway.

Bring it on, you hippie puke!

Gay Friends?
Dude you don't have any friends.
But I bet you got neighbors up the ass?

You talking about Craig "O'Reilly?" Silence is the when he is checking his TIVO for Bill-O and Hannity tidbits of wisdom to build up a supply of ripostes for future comments, or checking the BECKY/FATTY & HANNITY catalog of insults.

Sorry to burst your bong bubbles Billy. I get paid to do my work on more than one site.

You are lonely Joe

Hey Sheila - that was such a fine retort. You can do better. Or maybe not.

Great, just when I thought this scum couldn't stoop any lower he brings up his obsession for 8 year olds.
Why don't you just hook up with Joe and leave the kids alone!
ho mo you didn't

I love my God, my Country and my State. Just because my views are different than yours does not make me wrong. I am civic minded and I worked to put Scott Walker into the Governor's office. I take offense to a loser like you judging me in an issue that you have nothing to do with. You are a troll and you need to leave them kids alone.

Michael - how would you know 8 year old kids? Your kind? Boy that's sounds like a southern white trash. I know some infants who know what your drinking is the wrong kid of coolaide.

What about the threats that are a clear violation of Patch agreements?
...all I can say is that they should rope craig and steve to
the back of a pickup and drag them from great lakes to lake geneva.

She believes in those comments
Wonder what kind of rope they will be using?

You don't know what truth is. Trying to incite a riot or in this case a LYNCHING is a violation of terms of use.
Your friends at the ACLU would be happy to represent me.

Craig can dish it but he obviously can't take it. He's the biggest name-caller in this thread, and any thread on Patch, but when anyone makes an even obviously fake threat, he cries foul. Even Bob McBride is too ashamed to come to your aid.

Craig, if you're going to engage in a discussion with other adults you should try harder to communicate like one. Maybe this is all too much for you since you've obviously been at this aaaaaaall day now. Go knock yourself out with something strong and get some fresh air tomorrow, and don't come back until you've learned some new tactics besides calling people "stools" or making homophobic slurs. You're an embarrassment to your party. On a lighter note, you are confirming a lot of the character traits that I've found inherent in the folks associated with your political party, so thanks for that.

So Anne- you think it is acceptable to promote dragging humans from the back of a truck? The 50's are long gone- we have come farther than that.
A crack about paint chips is hardly racial and hateful.

Thank you - peace out.

Michael: I think the dumb hole Craig is stuck in may be beyond our lord's almighty power to get him out. This is a lost cause. He has sworn his soul to the BECKY/FATTY & HANNITY Trinity. He may be beyond redemption.

Perhaps we will not need a recall?? HOPE is eternal:-)

@Badgers_RebeL Bristling Badger
Walker to meet with district attorney - Leader-Telegram: Daily Updates: bit.ly/z7GbsZ |Klaaank! #WiUnion #WiRecall #RecallWalker #Wi

Imagine that John - union people talking.

I don't belong to a union...

There ya go. Thanks for clarifying Mack!

Walker as Blago of the North. Love it.

hershinmad john hershberger
Good Morning #WiUnion #WiRecall #RecallWalker Blago of the North all lawyered up, but he has nothing to hide. Recall or indictment?

Kieth I understand why you would take your position. You obviously believe in stealing the tax payors money...

Tim
Don't you realize that there is NO "will of the people" anymore!! No, not even you are being or will be listened to anymore. The TeaRepublican legislature turned over all rule making to Walker. Get it? It is now ALEC who is ruling Wisconsin!

wmagates
WI 1848 Forward: #Walker As Ruler or Rule Maker #50 Exec. Order wi1848forward.blogspot.com/2011/11/walker…

http://wi1848forward.blogspot.com/2011/11/walker-as-ruler-or-rule-maker-50-exec.html?spref=tw

5. Pursuant to Wis. Stat. § 227.135(2), no state employee may begin work on a
proposed rule or emergency rule until the statement of scope has been approved by
the Governor, published in the Administrative Register, and approved by the agency
head or body with policy making powers for the agency.............

There ya go again Tim with those whiners statements. When will the white trash expand on their vocabulary?

Guess what Tim. The will of the people has changed. That's why we have recalls.

morningmist and bob 4, do a little research. Kock brothers are WAY down on the list for political contributions. It's your union buddies who are dumping all the money on these races.
Every time I see Kock brothers I think, there's another lemming.
Whiners Bob? Hell YES! And I be t you think Doyle was the next best thing to sliced bread.
Never mind. I probably have better luck talking to a brick wall.

@Tim
Get rid of your Walker specked glasses. You did not see Koch from me.

Do you have anything of substance to say regarding my post?

BTW--I am not in a union. And for you information==unions of CB seldom came up as the reason why people signed the petitions. The signers have lots of other reasons as do I. This should tell you something if you have your Walker specked glasses off (speaking metaphorically).

Tim

7:45 am on Saturday, February 4, 2012

morningmist and bob 4, do a little research. Kock brothers are WAY down on the list for political contributions. It's your union buddies who are dumping all the money on these races.
Every time I see Kock brothers I think, there's another lemming.
Whiners Bob? Hell YES! And I be t you think Doyle was the next best thing to sliced bread.
Never mind. I probably have better luck talking to a brick wall.

Tells me the Koch Brothers, ALEC, and other RW groups who are backing Walker are not so smart after all. Of course, look at all the Walker fans here right on Patch still singing his songs. ha ha.

Well said Ncki!

There was no recall election. Ament resigned so he could preserve the nice little retirement he set up for himself in the process of mortgaging county taxpayers for years to come. Walker won in an election to fill the position.

And If you consider unprecedented recalls targeting not only the Republican Governor who was duly elected just over a year ago, but also any other potentially vulnerable Republican legislators for the sole purpose of regaining control of our state government an "acceptance" of the Democratic process, your definition of acceptance varies greatly from what one might consider the norm.

Unfortunately, due to our sloppy laws, this recall process is legal, as is a campaign to write in Walker as an opponent in a Democratic primary. You can't exploit one law in attempt to gain a political foothold and then criticize the opposition for exploiting another one in an attempt to keep that from happening and possibly expect to be taken seriously.

Your right BOB MCBRIDE - there was no recall election but there was signatures collected and essentially forced Ament to retire. After a scandal over pensions for county employees erupted, an effort was mounted in early 2002 to recall Ament. The organizing group had collected over 100,000 signatures on petitions to force a recall election.[1] On February 21, 2002, Ament announced his retirement effective February 26 at a Milwaukee County Board meeting. By retiring instead of resigning, Ament remained eligible for his pension.[2] He was replaced by Janine Geske on an interim basis and by Scott Walker after a special election.
The point is: you didn't see a bunch of Dems attacking petition gatherers.

Paul, given the nature of the charges against Ament, I don't think there was a Democrat in town who wanted to rush to his defense. The position of County Executive has never been one where political party affiliation as been the major component. If you remember correctly, even his allies on the County Board were turning on not only him, but on each other.

You're comparing apples to oranges and mounting a write-in campaign is not an attack. You can have a serious discussion or you can attempt blow smoke up you-know-where. The path you've chosen is obviously the later.

Big Bob McBride - Now did Ament have to lawyer up? Now if indeed Walker is indicted I wonder if we'll find a repug that will come to his defense. Maybe you? Looks like those silly Stand For Walker signs will be coming down real soon. The notion of a write in campaign is absurd as Walker is the repug candidate by default. I think someone on here summed it up just perfectly. See if you can find that and get back to us ok big Bob McBride. We love ya but sometimes you gotta just admit your blowing hot air right now.

Now, now, Paul, no need to get so testy.

He committed crime. That's a good reason for a recall. Walker balanced a budget. That's a good reason for his reelection. Way to go Governor Walker

How did I not see this before? That was awesome!

Misty: I do not click on links so I don't know what kind of sugar is on it. If it says youtube-I avoid it, too much crap on there.
Sorry I couldn't comment but I do not need child porn on my pc.

Most manuals will tell you don't click on hyperlinks unless you trust the source.

LOL -- Craig is afraid of getting rick-rolled. Craig, you are no doubt aware that Governor Walker has his own account on YouTube? There's no kiddie-porn there.

@Nicki -- This one is awesome too, The Wreck of the Brothers Fitzgerald: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZPnik_1Igk

I've heard this song on Sly In The Morning. Excellent!

Your welcome. I grew up in a Republican household and never heard such vitriol toward the Democratic party. I was in high school when JFK campaigned in my neighborhood he said all the right things a high school student wanted to hear regarding the direction of the USA. My family weren't all that crazy about my sudden interest in Democratic Party politics. But here I am today continuing to be proud of Our President of the United States of America and at the same time longing for the old GOP of my family.

How is this a 'dirty trick'?

@morninmist -

Thanks for showing us just how childish the left has truly become with their antics! Kind of goes hand-in-hand with the childish extended temper-tantrum that you guys are having, does it not?

Ah James

Your sense of humor got up and went.

Anyway.. this will cheer you up.

KindaKath Kathleen McLaughlin
Would love to see a big #RecallWalker banner at Super Bowl. It will be there in our hearts. #wiunion

Walker did what he promised. He's a great governor.

I could spend days listing the things you're missing...but let's start with common sense...

...and critical thinking skills...there is remedial help available in most communities...usually at your local senior center...

James- you missed the boat a long time ago. The truth is: Walker is now on a union busting Koch sponsored tour. It was Arizona and now Florida. So sad that the Kochs will throw this pawn to the dogs once he is indicted.

@James...

You missed the fact that there was no Doyle gate.
And also he is a Democrat. Democrats have a soul--Walker does not. Walker is BORG!

Enough said,
Cheers.

.............And yet, you guys didn't try and recall that Governor, did you? Why not?

Am I missing something here?

and dude, it's gall...gaul was term for France, Luxembourg and Belgium, during the middle ages...you know...a long time ago...

His sophomore year, Walker ran for president of the Associated Students of Marquette University (ASMU, the former title for Marquette Student Government). He was accused of violating campaign guidelines on multiple occasions.

The Tribune reported then that he was found guilty of illegal campaigning two weeks before his candidacy became official. Later, a Walker campaign worker was seen placing brochures under doors at the YMCA. Door-to-door campaigning was strictly prohibited.

Walker initially denied this but later admitted to the violation, which resulted in lost campaign privileges at the YMCA.

In the run-up to election day, the Tribune’s editorial board endorsed Walker’s opponent John Quigley, but said either candidate had the potential to serve effectively.

However, the Tribune revised its editorial the following day, calling Walker “unfit for presidency.” The column cited Walker’s distribution of a mudslinging brochure about Quigley that featured statements such as “constantly shouting about fighting the administration” and “trying to lead several ineffective protests of his own.”

The revision also expressed disappointment in Walker’s campaign workers reportedly throwing away issues of the Tribune after the endorsement was initially made.

Walker dismissed this, saying he had no knowledge of what his supporters did, according to a Tribune article from February 25, 1988.

Hoffa, that's a couple of people in this article vs tens of millions coming Walker's way from vampire capitalists. And before you go all nutty about that statement, there are many (make that most) in business who are ethical and actually do something for this country.

After all, 67% of millionaires say they are paying too much in taxes.

Walker lowered everybody's property taxes and didn't lay off state employees to do it.

Steve Jobs is the GOP hero - college dropout - successful businessman (white male, of course). Unions and fair working conditions are their enemy. These selfish greedy destined for he11 self-proclaimed "religious right" would rather have employees jumping out windows to their death after working 34 hour shifts. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285980/Revealed-Inside-Chinese-suicide-sweatshop-workers-toil-34-hour-shifts-make-iPod.html

Baggers eventually show their true colors........

Or just buy their elections.

Or just hire the sons of the Progressive elite and slash tires.
If they can't get there, they can't vote. Nothng to steal that way.

Yep- a real grassroots effort! LOL

They are all at Walker's superbowl party --at the least the big wigs will be there.

goochmeanswar Travis Gooch
State Troopers will be dispatched to the homes of anyone who declines party invite. #walkersuperbowlparty

I agree with your first statement and leave it at that as I did vote for Walker. The old saying that I agreed with the plan, the execution of it stinks. And I am not in a union. Betrayed is what comes to mind. When there are 12 ways to Sunday to fix the problem, the most controversial is the one chosen. You don't fix mutibillion dollars potholes overnight. His "tools" and "fixes" won't be realized for years and only time will tell. I am patiently saving my judgement for down the road. I serioulsy wonder about the man's judgement. Is this just a temper tantrum that he didn't get his way with Milwaukee County? He still has time to redeem himself and no, it isn't repealing ACT 10, too late for that. It is about looking at the other 11 (figure of speech) ways to reign in how state business is conducted and in all these postings and articles I have not seen one shred of creativity or reason to that end. Kick the people off the bus and let it run wild until it crashes into something. Until I see major changes to how every state agency and program is administered or altogether eliminated, and some healthy tax relief come my way, I don't believe one shred of his claims.

Have at it wolves.

I think that the problem with Scott Walker is the same problem with many of the Tea-Party backed legislators and representatives that were ushered into office on a wave of...well, paranoia...back in '10, and that is that there is this issue with cooperation. They can't stand it. There's literally this air of these spoiled little kids who sit in the corner with their arms crossed, scowling saying, "Everybody has to play MY way."
I was all for public sector employees contributing to insurances and retirement. There was no reason that he couldn't have sat back and cooperated with them, worked with them. Instead, he gets into office and does this "my way or the highway" thing. No talking, no negotiating, no cooperation or compromise. It's the way that all of them have been acting, whether it's Rick Scott, Chris Christie, Ron Johnson, Nikki Haley...the list is long and dismal.
They need to realize that yeah, maybe the Tea Party did push you into office, but you're not legislating for the Tea Party. You're the Governor of Wisconsin...and you're not a genius. You're a man of tolerable wisdom, occasional beneficial ideas, but you're not omnipotent, and you're not perfect. The wisest thing he could have done would have been to sit down and talk about it.

Well said Vicki!

At this moment last year Scott Kevin Walker was at the Superbowl with his family. Unbeknownst to anyone he had concocted a plan to bust the unions. He then came home and had a little dinner to share his bomb with his his cronies. He then unleashed a plan to bust the unions in 7 days. Tell me- what kind of politician does something like this? SEVEN DAYS! This is indeed the work of a man who has no business leading Wisocnosin.

@JT

Scooter is BORG--no soul.

Well that seems logical. But even with all the walker support this write in idea is more about support as he wouldnt win but if he shows up on the radar it's a story. a PROTEST VOTE of sorts against the Dems. My only concern and vote will be for Walker on any state wide governor election as a Republican. He will win again it's just a matter by how much I predict he wins by a larger margin than last time as when his agenda which has already passed is polled= Walker wins the issue . Given those polls I am interested as to what the DEMOCRATS want to take the state BACK TOO . If they cant lay out anything that compares to the current successes Walker has on his resume he will win convincingly. The Massive Fraud in the recall benefits Walker in the voting booth. As voter ID is overwhelmingly supported by Wisconsin voters. Thankfully most of us still have enough common sense to oppose fraud.

@$$andSense --" Another person posted that all state aid should be eliminated to local gov't."

Why would that be? It's our money no matter where it's sent. We pay sales tax, state income tax, and even a state levy on property tax. And previously, it came back in the form of state aid to local government. As I've been saying until I'm blue in the face, the taxes I pay to the state have not gone down a penny, but the austerity is being forced on the local governments.

Hey, get back on your meds!

Gus

Yes, it is an act of desperation.

And they knew they man is in deep poo poo!

jenhull jenhull
Party favors: Atttys Steinle and Gallo pass out Miranda cards with their after-hours phone numbers. #walkersuperbowlparty

lynnkcarey Lynn Carey
Reading #walkersuperbowlparty funny and all could be true!! Secret routers, rule changes, Grothman in Darlings cheerleading outfit. LOL

Re: Teachers and the 37.5 hours and 3 months off. Taking responsibility for other peoples's kids, big responsibility, dealing with youthful angst, and hoping they learned something that will be of use in life. Taking their papers home and up all night grading them and putting together the next day's lesson plan. If you we're kind enough to add that into the hours I put in, getting to school early to attend a faculty meeting, thart continues after school, on my time. U could easily add 25 hrs to the 37.5. It is one of the most important professions, and the most begrudged by part of the public who have allowed education to become a political football. My school spent more on sports gear then books. Why teachers are such an easy target for the Right Wing, and athletes are revered, is beyond me. We have the summer off because we were an agrarian economy. Farmers need their kids to help out. Imagine teachers suggesting, and we have! School should be year round . Whoa!?, Put education ahead of vacation time. Value education over vacation time. U Nuts!?Our nine month salary is spread out over 12 months. The shortage of teachers, exists due to low salary, even with benefits. Young people are not attracted to the educational profession , in part because of the negative public opinion of the profession. To paraphrase Roger Williams; WHEN YOU MIX EDUCATION WITH POLITICS YOU GET POLITICS. Please stop looking at us like thieves stealing the public's money. We love what we do.

Brian, you're spending a bit of effort and emotion judging someone else's job.

You hired Scott Walker to perform a duty. Some of the supporters of Walker pre-election voted him in because he was the better alternative than Barrett (myself included). Collective bargaining wasn't an issue during the campaign, and did not become an issue until your 'honorable' man decided to force the issue. Honor does not come through muscling through your own agenda.

Please don't criticize teachers, unless you are a teacher. Don't criticize road workers unless you are one, or surveyors, or state park workers. Wisconsin has (or had) one of the nicest park systems in the country. It had, contrary to popular belief, a fairly good education system in place. The roads kind of suck, but that's not state worker's fault, it's the fact that the lowest bidder always got the job...and yeah, that is a vestige of the Doyle reign, so don't jump on me there.

"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of the divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."
Thomas Jefferson~Declaration of Independence.

Honor there...if you notice, he mentions fortunes in there as well...Seems to me as though Mr. Walker is not pledging any of those items.

Mr. Eib- It is not emotion, it was part of my job as a School board member to be a steward of the taxpayer dollars. The 37.5 hrs, when you deduct the 3 hrs of prep time given to RUSD teachers actually means the face time with students is 34.5 hrs per week. I don't target the teachers, but I do target the unions. No doubt, in your district you put in a lot of extra time, but our teacher's contract provides in school paid time, with an already less than 40 hour work week. They are also compensated well for district meetings over and above the 37.5 hours paid.

Education is the most important service government offers, and why I chose to run for school board. Not sure what you contributed towards healthcare in your district, but in ours, our teacher's contributed $238.20 per year for a single plan and $479.40 family. That is about one month of what the average public sector employee pays. Not to mention, the plan costs the taxpayer roughly $14,000 single and $25,000 family. And, this plan only had a $10 co-pay for ofice visits and $5-10-15 for prescriptions. Today, that is unheard of.

In our district, we have seen bully tactics by the union, including a three month strike in the 70's and a sickout just last year. I'm not sure what your pay scale is, but ours ranges from $40k to $70k, so adding in the benefits, it comes to $54k to $100k. Continued...

Mr. Eib Cont... The shortage of teachers is not exactly true. There our some course teachers that are in demand, but in general, there are always 10 to 20 applicants per opening. That does not show me a shortage.

Yes, your nine month salary is spread out over 12 months, but these are not bad salaries, especially when you add in the benefits. Healthcare for life is guaranteed and is still funded 87.4% by the tax payer. Unheard of in the private sector. Your top salary is also guaranteed for life and is still funded 94.4% by the taxpayer. Not bad in this day in age.

We have buildings still in use that were built before the Lincoln Administration, our high school kids cannot take textbooks home, our athletics are funded over 80% by user fees. We have our local taxes that have increased nearly 30% in the past 5 years, we have passed 11 operational referenda in the past 20 years giving our district an additional $75 million. We received $17 million over the past 3 years in federal stimulus money. Altogether, we have spent over $1.5 billion over the last 5 years.

What do we have to show for it? Outside of MPS, we are the worst district in the state. All 8 of our comprehensive high schools and middle schools did not meet AYP. Over half of our elementary schools didn't either. We only graduate 73% of our children, 18% of our students are habitual truants and another 11% drop out.

Mr. Eib cont... And the affects are pouring into our communities. Developers and real estate agents have stated that the #1 reason for families and businesses not relocating here is because of our school system. The City of Racine has consistently, for the past decade, had the highest state unemployment.

So Mr. Eib, you can see I am no novice to this issue. I'm not sure of your circumstances, but as you can see, our's is pretty dire. When I talk with individual teachers, most don't care about the prep time, or the hours, or even the cuts they have taken. They see that these things cost a lot of money, and are willing to make sacrifices.

But it is the union leadership, who pushes and pushes, and convinces teachers that they are not treated fairly. AFSCME and the SEIU, both of which have nothing to do with educating our children, have been relentless on issues that continually cost the district unnecessary dollars. There are so many examples. It's not the employees, but the union leaders who have created an atmosphere that have soured many against what should be an honorable and noble profession.

My school spent more on sports gear then books.

Are you really a teacher? When comparing in English we use "than".

Most of us aren't claiming that the Walker Recall effort is a fraud. But with something this big there is going to be fraud within the Walker Recall effort. It's unavoidable with something this big.

There are people unhinged about this issue on both sides, and some of your very own have stated that they would see Walker gone "by any means necessary". You cannot claim, with any credibility, that you can personally attest to the integrity of every organizer and signature in this movement.

There is nothing wrong with taking steps, for something this important, to safeguard the integrity of the process and discover and eliminate fraud. If nothing else, this whole debacle has exposed serious flaws in our elections laws that need to be tightened up.

i would not discount the ire of the folks in wisconsin...appears that they got 3x the necessary signatures which is about twice the number of people who voted walker into office...and it is amazing, that after his little sojourn to arizona to tell the good folks there how to do what he did in wisconsin, he sought and is now represented by counsel...will be interesting to see how he explains that the folks who are being indicted worked 200' from his office and he knew nothing...very sad...in tx he might want to discuss his plight with our own tom delay - he was the one with the big grin in his prison photo...not so happy now that he was convicted...same with rod in chicago...

the good folks of wisconsin have the cheers from those of us here in TX...way to go...here's to a great year of riding all of the states of these extremists...

OK liberals......... read p bird's comment and see how the liberal blog game of telephone works.............

p bird- Again, a Walker hater that has no clue of the facts. The recallers claim they have a million signatures, which is not more than Walker got to get elected, He received 1.6 million votes. It is even less than his opponent got. Another fallacy is that Walker is being investigated. He turned in his staff members and his being represented is normal when talking to a Democrat D.A. who held on to all this to time it for the recall. Walker is not the target of the probe that he started.

Please, if you are going to peep in from TX, a least get the facts right.

By the way, the whole Mickey Mouse , Donald Duck thing was started by FOX. They picked up on a news item, while they and the Right were trying to kill ACORN. People who collect signatures need to check the signatures themselves and report any fake names to the election board, which is what ACORN did. FOX conveniently left out that ACORN reported the fake names to the elation board and ran with the fake Mickey Mouse story. Leaving their misinformed viewers with the thought that a Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck signature counted. Now how dumb do you have to be to buy that load of Crap, unless you are a racist and any bad news for ACORN was good news for their dumb-ass, Christian racism.

We've already seen Daffy Duck on the petitions. Its the occupy-Walker haters that have no ethics. Except this time we can look closely and find the perpetrators.

appears that they got 3x the necessary signatures which is about twice the number of people who voted walker into office...and it is amazing

Uhhh, they CLAIM to have 1.1 million signatures which is nowhere near three times 540K.

It will be amazing to see liberal heads explode when 400K of the 1.1 million are shown to be blank lines on a partially filled out form, and another 100K are duplicates and "Daffy Duck".

@red -- Someone told me where to find a signature by 'Daffy Duck'. I wasted 20 minutes of my time scrolling through the petitions only to discover that 'Daffy's' signature had been crossed out by the petition circulator.

not sure what you mean cynthia...i'm in TX...we are not proud of our gov either...but most of the folks here did not know what a total ass we had until he ran for president...our last great gov was ann richards...her daughter is president of planned parenthood...and you might ask susan g komen how well that little trick of theirs played...the big guns, all republican but not the tea bag radicals, are giving money to PP...it is amazing what happens when extremists take charge of the country...people just get fed up and answer...

again - congratulations to the brave folks in Wisconsin...you lead the nation in guts and we applaud your efforts and support your cause

Billy-Bob: Unions are as corrupt as politics and the CEO's the lefty 99% decry. The Unions are outdated and dying like the dinos for a reason. We have OSHA for worker safety. The ACLU and lawyers up the yazoo who will sue for looking funny at someone. Yet the unions still defend the bottom of the barrell employee, but the 99% just pay their dues and make some fat cat union CEO rich. That is fine with me, but don't use MY tax dollars for public employee's to rape me for their gain. Unions did set the pay scales in America at one time until the jobs went elsewhere because of that.
The truth is this really wasn't about unions and they know it. It was about public employees having benefits far better than the rest of Americans. I hear union people bitch about the packages the politicians have, because they have their own retirement separate from SSI. They have better health care, etc. Same goes for public employees, but now it affects the 'almighty dollar' so the unions cry.

Mr. Eib- While some of those things can be attributed to unions, you are mistaken on the 40 hour work week, the mandatory breaks, child labor and holidays. All those were protected rights granted by the FDR administration.

The problem is, at least in the public sector, at least in my school district, teachers work 37.5 hrs per week, have 4 months worth of time off, make over $52,000 on average, have a benefit package tht still exceeds another $30,000 per year and get 2 to 3 hrs additional time out of the classroom per week. We simply cannot afford the luxuries of the past. Revenues for the state are down because of lack of jobs (income tax), people spending less (sales tax) and tons of foreclosures (property tax). Would it be better, at least in our district, that we laid off 200 teachers to make up for the lost revenue (that's really for the kids), or if we ask them to make modest contributions to their benefits like every other private sector union has had to do over the last 20 years. We've been asking for the past decade and the unions threatened and convinced the school boards to leave it alone, and pushed for ideas to cut textbook expenditures, technology expenditures, athletics, music and everything but themselves. That's what people like me are fighting for. When 85 cents of every dollar goes to the adults and 15 cents is left for our kids, I'll take cutting from the adults anytime. And now, thanks to Walker, we can give more to the kids.

Brian,
The 37.5 that you count is called contact time. That does not disclose the number of hours required to prepare for that. It would be akin to counting only court time to a lawyer. Sorry, but you need a better understanding of many things, education being one.

@p bird -- about what Scott Walker may be discussing with the DA . . .http://politiscoop.com/us-politics/wisconsin-politics/711-scott-walkers-100000000-question-walkergate-.html?start=1

So far we have Walker appointees embezzling from veterans' charities, Wlaker staff campaigning on taxpayer time, and now this . . .

Next the locked dumpster that was never removed off site. What evidence if any lies in the dumpster ? How many of the rats have already jumped ship to save their own azz. Walker's lawyers can't wait to sit down and talk with the D.A. and the Feds to see if what or any charges Walker may be facing. But the D.A. and Feds are staying tight lipped and not tipping their hand to the defense only so the lawyers have some idea on how to defend Walkers unknown case. People that Walker hired already had a past criminal records and Walker knew it. These boys aren't Fu king around and I believe Walker is not sleeping very well at night. The heat is on and It would not surprise me if Walker committed suicide before this story comes to an end.