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New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin

Just a day after the Republican primary election that elevated him to official nominee, a new poll shows Thompson leads his Democratic challenger.

 

If the election for US Senate were held today, former Gov. Tommy Thompson would head to Washington over Democrat Tammy Baldwin, according to a new poll from Rasmussen Reports.

Rasmussen's results show Thompson with an 11-point lead over Baldwin; 54 to 43 percent. Undecided voters came in at 3 percent and only 1 percent would choose someone else entirely.

The poll was conducted among 500 likely voters Aug. 15, the day after the Republican primary for the US Senate seat, with 4.5 percent margin of error.

After the poll was released, Thompson's campaign released the following statement from Darrin Schmitz, Tommy Thompson for U.S. Senate general consultant:

 "In the face of a new poll that shows her down by double digits, Tammy Baldwin is launching her general election campaign by going negative and using class warfare to distort Tommy Thompson's record and his proposals. Baldwin's tax plan will dramatically increase taxes on small businesses in Wisconsin, a recipe for economic disaster. The choice for Wisconsin voters is clear: more jobs under Tommy or more taxes under Baldwin." 

Baldwin's campaign fired back, saying the Rasmussen Reports is hardly a credible source for accurate polling information:

"In the face of calls to release his tax returns, and after a testy and rattled exchange with the Wisconsin press corps on the first day of the general elction, Tommy Thompson is trying to distract voters by clinging to a widely discredited pollster who used to work for George W. Bush," said Tammy Baldwin for Senate Communications Director John Kraus, "Thompson can try to dodge and distract all he wants but the people of Wisconsin want to know why Tommy won't release his tax returns at the same time he is calling for tax breaks for millionaires like himself and tax increases for the middle class."

Among Patch GOP Insiders the day before the primary election, Thompson was picked as the best bet to beat Baldwin in November.

The most recent results for the year-long polling project from Marquette University Law School also put Thompson in the lead over Baldwin, 48 to 43 percent. That poll was conducted from Aug. 2 to Aug. 5, two weeks before the Aug. 14 primary.

Related Topics: Rasmussen Reports, Tammy Baldwin, Tommy Thompson, and US Senate Race

Carbon Bigfuut

4:06 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Poor, poor Tammy. Lost in her own dream world...

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Bernard Forand

3:37 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Carbon Bigfuut
4:06 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Poor, poor Tammy. Lost in her own dream world...

Ha, ha good one. So your still having those wet dreams, huh?

Brian Dey

4:56 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

4:55pm 8/17/2012- I'm officially calling this race for Thompson. Mark it down as the official time of the end of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin.

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Dirk Gutzmiller

9:34 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Dey - We marked it down. Obviously, this poll lacks any significance to mean the end of any political party in Wisconsin. But, if we may quote you often later, perhaps it will be the end of Brian Dey's wild spoutings.

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Bernard Forand

3:34 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Brian Dey
4:56 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
4:55pm 8/17/2012- I'm officially calling this race for Thompson. Mark it down as the official time of the end of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin

OK; I’ll take the other side and say Baldwin will make an end run and do a Hockl on Tommy..

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Eugene Barufkin

12:24 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

He should go to jail for scamming Medicaid for about two (2) million dollars.
Once the general public sees the data I posted below, do you still think they will all be voting for him??
Brian, do you generally vote for criminals????

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Eugene Barufkin

12:35 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Brian, To save you the trouble of looking for my Tommy corrupt data below, here it is - Records show that in 2007 – just before the largest economic recession since the Great Depression; Akin Gump began representing Bain Capital in lobbying for favorable securities and investment policy/legislation. Thompson and partners were paid $500,000 by Bain in 2007. In 2008, Akin Gump was paid $480,000 by Bain for financial lobbying efforts. The economy has crashed and jobs have been outsourced through the actions of firms like Bain; Thompson and his partners continue to reap the benefits.
read more -
http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/tommy-thompson-a-bain-capital-connection-with-much-to-hide-everything-to-lose/

Keith Schmitz

5:18 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Don't get all jiggly. It's Rassmussan,

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GearHead

9:07 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Other pollsters will catch up. What will your excuse be then?

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Bob McBride

9:27 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

I'd just like to know how he can misspell Rasmussen in two separate threads when several examples of the correct spelling appear in those same threads or in the article to which they're attached.

Next time you go on one of your celebratory benders, Keith, disconnect the WiFi and turn on the tube or something. You're not doing yourself any favors - unless your objective is to end up curbside with Kris Rowe.

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TJ Kristen

9:33 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

sorry liberal, Rasmusan is very accurate

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TJ Kristen

9:34 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Sorry liberal, Rasmussan is VERY accurate, Thompson wins in a landslide!

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Bernard Forand

3:29 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ GearHead
9:07 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Other pollsters will catch up. What will your excuse be then?

Sure they will… Until then…. Nah. Nah.,, Nahhhhh Now don't hold your breath, you might turn BLUE!

laterdays

5:21 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

I hope voters remember the recall effort, capital chaos Joann Kloppenberg, and all the other silly things Tammy stands by.

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Bernard Forand

3:25 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ laterdays
5:21 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
I hope voters remember the recall effort, capital chaos Joann Kloppenberg, and all the other silly things Tammy stands by.

It was not in vain. Walker lost control of his House. Chip, chip.
Consider how much money we pulled out of Koch’s pockets for Wisconsin. Hooorrraaahh!

GearHead

9:10 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

This shouldn't be a suprise. Democrats blaming the messenger. Thompson is obviously the better choice, given he was already Governor for almost forever. Thinking he can handle the Senate gig, and certainly brings instant gravitas to it. But we are accepting the whining in good fun.

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Bernard Forand

3:19 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ GearHead
9:10 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
This shouldn't be a suprise. Democrats blaming the messenger. Thompson is obviously the better choice, given he was already Governor for almost forever. Thinking he can handle the Senate gig, and certainly brings instant gravitas to it. But we are accepting the whining in good

Republicans of late have exhibited a lack of leadership by pledging their allegiance to the “Party First” denying the voters of their representative. With Wall Street + Cronyism versus Main Street USA this is not the time to gamble. We already lost from Main Street to Wall Streets a debt of $11 Trillion . Time has come for a return on that investment.

Keith Best

6:37 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Forget the ads that will try to paint Baldwin as a centrist. All we have to do is look at her RECORD. She is a far-left EXTREMIST!! She is further left than Nancy Pelosi. Baldwin has more in common with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro then she does with the people of WI. Afterall, it's her record. Remember this in November.

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Robert

7:21 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

So what Im hearing you say KB is that Tammy Baldwin takes Dane county,Shorewood and some yet unknown dimension.

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Lyle Ruble

1:06 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@Pulled your string Keith Best...So this is the Party line, accuse Baldwin of being an extreme socialist or Marxist. Even a centrist appears far left when you're so far to the right.

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Bernard Forand

3:09 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Keith Best
6:37 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Forget the ads that will try to paint Baldwin as a centrist. All we have to do is look at her RECORD. She is a far-left EXTREMIST!! She is further left than Nancy Pelosi. Baldwin has more in common with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro then she does with the people of WI. Afterall, it's her record. Remember this in November.

When one stands on a pole say, the north pole, all points form there is south. No east or west. Observations from you is from one focal political pole. No one can disprove or educate such a one, that there are other poles and variance in betwixt them.
Interesting to note, as you stand at the North Pole there is no North…

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Eugene Barufkin

1:02 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

A rpt in Forbes mag establishes some truth in the 716 billion Medicare cuts -
The threatened cuts in Medicare are the result of a formula (“SGI”) established during the Clinton years were designed to control the rate of growth in Medicare payments to physicians. <> The problem - Nobody anticipated that the number would go down. As a result of the decrease, and the understandable displeasure expressed by America’s doctors, Congress deferred the cuts until they added up to the 21% cut doctors now fear. <> Note - This number did not arise as a result of a stroke of Obama's pen as Obamacare detractors would have you believe. It was the constant deferral by Congress, "dating back to 2002", that has permitted the number to reach this point.
<>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2010/09/25/does-obamacare-really-cut-medicare-benefits-to-senior-citizens/

Bernard Forand

11:40 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Baldwin's campaign fired back, saying the Rasmussen Reports is hardly a credible source for accurate polling information:
Statement is correct. Rasmussen is constantly in right field falling asleep. Observe example; Fox Network Poll of active voters discovered that Romney gets 40% of the vote as Obama gets 49% of the vote. Note active voters to this likely to vote nonsense. Back to “People say” “I heard said” kinda of polling. The other polling’s showed 2 to 3 point lead to Obama. Rasmussen again all alone in right field with the only positive poll for Romney. Gee wonder who signs their checks.
This will be interesting its what got my attention. Strong tea flavored republican arena with a strong candidate versus the meek democrat candidate.
Reminds me of when Hockl [Dem] ran for a seat on the senate that has been in republicans hands for a couple of decades. Opponent spent $3 mill. To her less than a Mill. She won the New York seat!
Yup this will be interesting. He is for Wall Street and she is for our Main Street USA. Lets see what happens…

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Keith Best

11:50 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@Bernard Forand-- Baldwin maybe for Main St. Havana or Caracas.........

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Lyle Ruble

1:09 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Pulled my String Keith Best....At least Main Street Havana would provide good medical care.

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The Anti-Alinsky

1:32 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Someone (Lyle) has been hanging out at the Michael Moore lovefest. There are two sides to every Micheal Moore film.

http://old.nationalreview.com/nordlinger/nordlinger_cuba7-30-07.asp

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Robert

1:43 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

The infant mortality rate is so high in the US because attempts to deliver and save babies born prematurely count toward our stats. Many are saved with our cutting edge technology and top of the shelf medical training. If you wife is pregnant, and in distress in month 7, maybe you ought to fly on down to Cuba and see how things turn out Lyle. Your crazy arguments about the wonders of socialized medicine are only believed by the army of useful idiots that have no need to find the facts and wait in stasis till told what to think. The UN can only trust that the Cuban government is reporting factual numbers. Remember in the fairly recent past when the UN had Syria and Libya on their Human Right s counsel ? How did that ever happen? Your soured old book of talking points is about as accurate as Mein Kampf and leads people down the same trail.

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Lyle Ruble

2:01 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@Robert....If you did a little unbiased research, you'd find that Cuba has the most trained physicians per capita of any nation in the world. There isn't any first tier nation that doesn't have better outcomes than the U.S. from infant mortality to longevity. The only place we lead is in first responder interventions. Time to lay the politics aside and deal with independent substantiated facts.

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Robert

2:53 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Wow you are hilarious Mr Ruble , "lay politics aside?" I read your postings and the articles you write. If Bren wrote for the Patch that would be a bigger joke , but you saying lay politics aside is second best. Your ambulance chasing/used car salesman approach to deflecting or responding is tiresome. When you use as a source like the Milwaukee Journal there is a 90% chance its garbage. The same goes for a lot of other sources you have used. I dont need a weatherman to tell me its raining outside when all I have to do is open the door. Like I said before,next time you need the best in medical care for some life saving procedure, get on a fast boat to Havana and write a nice article about the greatness of socialized medicine.
And the independent facts you want are kinda difficult to get from a military dictator in a marxist state. Like I said , the UN is useless to.

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Bernard Forand

2:58 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Keith Best
11:50 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
@Bernard Forand-- Baldwin maybe for Main St. Havana or Caracas.........

Nope right here in the good old USA. It would do you well ,to take up some traveling. Stay for a year or two and perhaps it will help you with that prejudice infection that is plaguing you.

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Lyle Ruble

3:26 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@Robert...I appreciate that you read what I have written, whether you agree or not. The very idea that we have an efficient and cost effective healthcare system is absurd. That data doesn't come from a "sugar cane" dictator or the U.N., there are a number of independent organizations that provides that information.

We do need to set politics aside to find a solution to growing problem of healthcare. In my view it has become a monopoly or trust and it is still largely self regulated. I'm open to anyone who can come up with effective solutions.

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Bren

5:15 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Robert, perhaps I should write for Patch. Thank you for the idea! ; )

Bernard Forand

2:50 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@Lyle Ruble commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin, which you are following.
"@Pulled your string Keith Best...So this is the Party line, accuse Baldwin of being an extreme socialist or Marxist. Even a centrist appears far left when you're so far to the right."

It befuddles me how they use Karl Marx as an accusations of sorts. Illuminates their lack of knowledge of Karl. Like oil and water. No matter how much they shake it. They are not compatible to the politics at hand. Speculate, it is equal to, a Fox off in the distance, yelping.
As for Socialism; Egad who should be the one to tell them they are socialist!
All sovereignties embrace socialism. Some more than others. Here from your Local dog catcher to the Military and most of everything in between is run on Socialism.
Russia/China rattles around an empty skull and blinds them to their true nature of social beings. Without which they would not have survived to this point. Nourished in the security of their social communities and social families. They do befuddle me.

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Robert

3:09 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Its kinda like when people use the word ironic, almost no body uses it for the proper meaning and its losing its real meaning. The word GAY has the same history. So once again somebody who has a degree in some useless area of study they throw out their credentials and say "your stupid because you didnt get that definition exactly right". Why dont all you pipe smoking tweed wearing dorks get together on one of your 350 days not at work and tell us what the proper word for a politician that is the closest to a socialist there is with being considered one by some one correcting us like a 3rd grade teacher on a spelling test. Its funny hearing some UWM grad using the word FASCIST when blurbing about some conservative they hate. Nice of you Bernie to reinforce the deflection of real life discussion I was writing about earlier. Deflect ,evade , distract, lie, demonize and demagogue...got any more tactics or just more of the same old same old? Oh wait , Tammy !

Robert

3:23 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Your stat of per capita trained physicians will be only getting worse if Obama care stays in place. How many retirement age Drs do you think will stay working for 1/2 pay? Same goes for Hospitals. Then mix in several million illegal immigrants to the pool. Wait till the unions figure out they were just being used and have to go see the Dr like all of the welfare pukes. Wow , there will be some crying and whining then. Just wait till you have to go to your 1st End of life planning session, the dark joke will surely be on you then !

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Lyle Ruble

3:34 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@Robert....C'mon, scare tactics, you can do better than that. Let's keep it real.

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Bren

4:05 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Robert, think about overhead expenses and how they fuel retail medical costs. Then think about the fact that most mid- and large-size clinics have at least one full-time person whose sole job is to argue with insurance companies and trying to get uncovered expenses paid by patients. I think in the 21st Century, most doctors would throw a party if asked if they would rather spend more time with patients and get paid a known rate in a timely manner. Under a national health care system doctors could still operate a private practice at the prices they wish to charge, just not use the NHS facilities.

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GearHead

9:32 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@Lyle: Doctors are already refusing to see Medicare patients because they are chronically late payed and underpayed. This will only get worse as Obama care sucks another $700 billion out of Medicare. Hope you aren't depending on it, unless you are in sweet with the death panels. Most of us prefer another alternative.

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Jay Sykes

10:07 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@Gearhead... I'm expecting, in the not to distant future, that I will pay about $1000/year for coneriege or membership style care from my primary physician. He will cut back on his patient load by charging a membership fee and then accept the usual and customary payments from my insurance. Thus,he will generate the revenue to cover his costs and I'll get an appointment(service) when I need it.

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Eugene Barufkin

1:04 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

A rpt in Forbes mag establishes some truth in the 716 billion Medicare cuts -
The threatened cuts in Medicare are the result of a formula (“SGI”) established during the Clinton years were designed to control the rate of growth in Medicare payments to physicians. <> The problem - Nobody anticipated that the number would go down. As a result of the decrease, and the understandable displeasure expressed by America’s doctors, Congress deferred the cuts until they added up to the 21% cut doctors now fear. <> Note - This number did not arise as a result of a stroke of Obama's pen as Obamacare detractors would have you believe. It was the constant deferral by Congress, "dating back to 2002", that has permitted the number to reach this point.
<>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2010/09/25/does-obamacare-really-cut-medicare-benefits-to-senior-citizens/

Robert

4:34 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Wow , I think I deserve some kind of medal. Bren AND Lyle both had meaningful non politically charged posts. I like this agreeing thing that just happened. Bren you made more sense in your last post that I have ever read. Im 100% positive that when actual facts about what is really in the parts of Obama care that have been written come out that will end.
I'd love to hear Tammy's position on the Iron Mine. I know she has almost nothing to do with it, but hearing her detailed reasons why she doesnt want the mine is definitely something she should have an explanation in detail. Then explain why the boat engine in her comercial should be made out of iron from some other state.
I actually like hearing Tammy talk , she seems to be a pleasant person. Hearing and seeing Kloppenberg talk was like watching some B grade scifi horror movie called Attack of the Shrieking Harpy. Thats a scare tactic. Anyone that thinks dumping millions of Illegals into Obama care isnt going to make problems worse hasnt ever spent 1 day in reality. She is running for an office to work for us! Not to save the world!

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Bernard Forand

4:47 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Bren also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"Robert, think about overhead expenses and how they fuel retail medical costs. Then think about the fact that most mid- and large-size clinics have at least one full-time person whose sole job is to argue with insurance companies and trying to get uncovered expenses paid by patients. I think in the 21st Century, most doctors would throw a party if asked if they would rather spend more time with patients and get paid a known rate in a timely manner. Under a national health care system doctors could still operate a private practice at the prices they wish to charge, just not use the NHS facilities."

Bren excellent point. Another Tid Bit to add. With Obamacare we can now move ahead and incorporate a digital Health Care. Immediate knowledge of a patients health records. Unconscious or not. Preventing flawed diagnosis’s. It would also flag any corruptions that might come about. Example: Prescriptions that are being abused. Legations savings in that alone would net a savings of $Billions. Reduction of administrations brick and mortar dependence. On and On savings to cost of health care. Consider Mass with Romneycare is the lowest increase to cost to health care in the nation, after just 5 years. Mass at 6% National average at 7% and that is without the interlinking of a digital service.
This digital service has aleready been started. Obamacare is the way to go for all concerned.

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Bren

5:10 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Pharma digitization has been in place and is working well (e.g. Walgreens). This works well if individuals choose one service provider, still a challenge if multiple providers/systems are used. Example: this is a challenge in geriatric care because different family members may fill prescriptions for the elder at different locations. If a dosage or other error has been made it is difficult to catch in this instance.

Examples of digitization working well is when a national provider such as Target or Walgreens can assist if a prescription is forgotten during vacation etc. A close relative of mine recently had a scare when their pharmacist caught a prescription error that could have been lethal mixed with the other prescriptions.

Digital service is good.

Bernard Forand

5:01 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Bren also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.

["AWD, Baldwin isn't running on the gay platform. What's the big deal of who marries whom?" ]

Marriage is between the adults. It is their decision no one else. “IF” the state is to remain in the marriage business then they have no voice in the decisions of the couple. “IF” this or that church has reservations it is their freedom to marry or not. Church policies are not to be in the states. Another way around it, is the couple can get a business contract worded to their desires and eliminate church and state marriage laws.

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Eugene Barufkin

1:18 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

I was led to believe that real 'PEOPLE' make church policy based on their thoughts and analysis of specific situations at the time.
So if a group of hate filled people are making a decision for a church, the decision will be hateful. . . . period. <<<>>

Bernard Forand

5:16 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Judeo-Christian way of life. Sadly until we have a federal constitutional amendment, the effort to sully marriage will march forward with the help of radical homosexual activists like Tammy Baldwin. She MUST be defeated."

Try to stay on subject. There are no issues pending at this time on marriage. It may come up. At which point we can observe your bias on the subject. Whether relevant or not according to some other reader. Since you put it there; Disagree with your limited zealot ideology.
Marriage is between the adults. It is their decision no one else. “IF” the state is to remain in the marriage business then they have no voice in the decisions of the couple. “IF” this or that church has reservations, it is their freedom to decide to marry them or not.
Church policies are not to be in the states. Another way around it, is the couple can get a business contract worded to their desires and eliminate church and state marriage laws, altogether.
Keeping Churches out of the government, insures their freedoms of religion through the constitution as is. Other wise our laws would be subject to this religion or that religion. That has been demonstrated as a failure through out history. Gods are not politicians.

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Eugene Barufkin

1:21 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

As I said above - Live and let live.
<> In this case Bernie, there is no evidence you can give that will prove you will be harmed by Tammy's life style.
<> Except for hate crimes you foster by your behavior, which your taxes are used to control. <<>>

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Bernard Forand

9:27 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Eugene Barufkin
1:21 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
As I said above - Live and let live.
<> In this case Bernie, there is no evidence you can give that will prove you will be harmed by Tammy's life style.
<> Except for hate crimes you foster by your behavior, which your taxes are used to control. <<>>

Finally found the source of the confusion on my status on Tammy. Here is where it goes off course;
“5:16 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Judeo-Christian way of life. Sadly until we have a federal constitutional amendment, the effort to sully marriage will march forward with the help of radical homosexual activists like Tammy Baldwin. She MUST be defeated." NOT MY WORDS HERE !

Here is where my reply to Judeo begins.
Try to stay on subject. There are no issues pending at this time on marriage. It may come up. At which point we can observe your bias on the subject. Whether relevant or not according to some other reader. Since you put it there; Disagree with your limited zealot ideology

I was responding to someone that said;
[“5:16 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Judeo-Christian way of life. Sadly until we have a federal constitutional amendment, the effort to sully marriage will march forward with the help of radical homosexual activists like Tammy Baldwin. She MUST be defeated." ]

Apparently his title did not materialize. Should have caught it. My reply to Judeo starts at [ “Try to stay on subject….”]

Thomas Emmen Adler

5:31 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Rasmussen has a horrible reputation for lack of credibility. Or that means it's TT's race to lose now.

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Bernard Forand

5:35 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Robert also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"Your stat of per capita trained physicians will be only getting worse if Obama care stays in place. How many retirement age Drs do you think will stay working for 1/2 pay? Same goes for Hospitals. Then mix in several million illegal immigrants to the pool. Wait till the unions figure out they were just being used and have to go see the Dr like all of the welfare pukes. Wow , there will be some crying and whining then. Just wait till you have to go to your 1st End of life planning session, the dark joke will surely be on you then !"

Sure is scary stuff there. Don’t buy it. As to doctors qualities degrading under Obamacare is nonsense. What will develop; doctors will begin to take retainers fee’s. Providing VIP treatment according to the doctor’s abilities and the desire of those willing to pay a retainer fee. Reducing the burdens on the doctor and promoting the home call service that they used to do. This will attract more people to the field, demanding quality of service. Some doctors will hybrid between the VIP and the non VIP patients. In the end services for health quality service increases.
As for the rest “Don’t Worry Be Happy” for they are the shadows of the past system of a Health Care that we had. Same one republicans want us to go back to.
Take care....

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Eugene Barufkin

1:14 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

A rpt in Forbes mag establishes some truth in the 716 billion Medicare cuts -
The threatened cuts in Medicare are the result of a formula (“SGI”) established during the Clinton years were designed to control the rate of growth in Medicare payments to physicians. <> The problem - Nobody anticipated that the number would go down. As a result of the decrease, and the understandable displeasure expressed by America’s doctors, Congress deferred the cuts until they added up to the 21% cut doctors now fear. <> Note - This number did not arise as a result of a stroke of Obama's pen as Obamacare detractors would have you believe. It was the constant deferral by Congress, "dating back to 2002", that has permitted the number to reach this point.
<>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2010/09/25/does-obamacare-really-cut-medicare-benefits-to-senior-citizens/

Bernard Forand

5:48 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Robert also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"Its kinda like when people use the word ironic, almost no body uses it for the proper meaning and its losing its real meaning. The word GAY has the same history. So once again somebody who has a degree in some useless area of study they throw out their credentials and say "your stupid because you didnt get that definition exactly right". Why dont all you pipe smoking tweed wearing dorks get together on one of your 350 days not at work and tell us what the proper word for a politician that is the closest to a socialist

Your interest on Socialism is commendable. For all politicians are Socialist just as we are. Highways, police, airports, politicians, education and so on and so on are socialist constructs of our society. Without socialism it may never have survived to this point in your life. From the socialism of family to community to states to the nation, have provided an infrastructure that has nourished you and me with security and providing various opportunities’ to explore. By the way I don’t smoke a pipe. Now you take care..

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Bernard Forand

6:07 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Robert also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"Wow you are hilarious Mr Ruble , "lay politics aside?" I read your postings and the articles you write. If Bren wrote for the Patch that would be a bigger joke , but you saying lay politics aside is second best. Your ambulance chasing/used car salesman approach to deflecting or responding is tiresome. When you use as a source like the Milwaukee Journal

You use this deflecting, deflection scenario often. Is that what you do? Socialized medicine will be found in all of the western civilized world and some are developing in the developing nations as well. Some more efficient than others. Bottom line, it requires a socialist commitment for their survival. Do you have a better plan? Just lashing out at this or that is your deflection of the reality that surrounds you. No plan, than educate yourself, to what exist at present and if you can make it better let someone know. Until then we will just have to use what is at hand. ….Take Care

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Bernard Forand

6:29 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Brian Dey also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Anti- Please don't confuse El Bernado and Sr. Ruble with facts. It will only confuse them and drive you nusts with their responses. Lyle, if you love Cuba's healthcare soooo much, move there and stop t

Two feathers of the same bird. Anti Dey have demonstrated their marginal abilities and biases. Once again Brian has set himself up as our dictator. Must be an ego thingy.
As to communist; It is apparent you have no knowledge of what communism is. Am I to start babbling about how Fascist you want to be. These absolutes is where you find your refuge. To walk the plains of discourse betwixt various shades of grey is beyond the realm of existence for you. Democracy must come with some stress, as it requires shades of grey and a give and take scenario. Its not all about you, you, you, me, me, me nonsense. Limited abilities to communicate will not serve you or me well. Much work remains to be accomplished. Pouting in a coroner or derogatory remarks only serves as an obstacle that will harm you more than those you oppose. Like a rock in a swift current, that pushes the rock into pebble of sand.

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Bernard Forand

6:56 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ The Anti-Alinsky also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Well, it took a little to get through the nonsense, but I think I got it.

Anti we were on increase spending that you failed to demonstrate what in the world you are talking about. Implying Obama spends more because of spending increases is made moot by not establishing base from which increase occurs and debt accumulated if you want to establish substance to your premise. Now off you go unto who knows what, as what we were debating is false. I left you with the examples for you to figure out, which you ignore, then finally left you with a source on the subject of spending, as it relates to Obama and you refuse a Nobel Prize winning site for accuracy, on their contributions to distinguish true from false. Now whatever it is your on now is irrelevant for you have demonstrated your limits in such matters. Once again the source that disqualifies your early accusations against Obama. Obama has had the slowest growth in spending of any President in the past 60 years: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/ Now anybody with intellect will recognize your limitations in such matters and go to auto moot every time you try to claim knowledge in this arena.

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The Anti-Alinsky

1:22 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Leave it to Bernie to not let the facts get in the way of a good argument. Since you enjoy jumping Blogs, I'll repost them again:
YEAR ------ TOTAL SPENT ---% INCREASE
----------------(in millions)
2008 ..........2,982,544 .............9.30% (last year of Bush)
2009 ..........3,517,677 ...........17.94% (transition budget with TARP)
2010 ..........3,456,213 ............-1.75% (first Obama budget)
(still higher than 2008 by 15.88%)
2011 ..........3,603,061 .............4.25%
2012 ..........3,795,547 .............5.34% (estimate)

And, I will even ask the question, how do you go from $2.982 TRILLION to $3.795 TRILLION (a 27% increase) in four years and still say we have the lowest spending increase?

Perhaps you better read your posts before hitting the "Submit" button. Maybe then you see how much you babble!

Bernard Forand

9:14 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Robert
"The infant mortality rate is so high in the US because attempts to deliver and save babies accurate as Mein Kampf and leads people down the same trail."

Well, well Roberts knows the reason we have such a high infant mortality. Because of efforts to save premature babies. Interesting I wonder if the doctors ever thought about that when they tabulated their counts for failures‘. Perhaps they had a list for this or that type of infant. Yeah I think they would have. Alas it does not help when we see our mortality rate is greater than the other western civilized nations that have Health Care. Darn socialized health care is making the rest of the world more healthy than our USA. Socialized Health Care has some, amongst us, visualizing the orthodox Russia and China and Fascist regimes rattling about their brains. LOL denying the answer to a system that could prolong their lives in greater quality, just for a bigoted prejudice of ignorance. Loss of our lives due to uneducated voters that has regressed our nation, to one of the lowest in the western civilized world, Lack of Health Care for our citizens in a Harvard study [2009] pegged the loss of life at 45,000 per year. When a simple check up would have saved them a tid bit of medicine at the right time. Every year! Every year so that Roberts and those like him, can savor their frustratede futility with absolutes of Mein Kampf, KarlMarx, commie, Lenin and stuff like that. Juveniles seek our demise.

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Eugene Barufkin

10:54 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

I have no fear about the Socialism issue because Justice Thomas is ready to get rid of the whole Socialist mess we have in America. Including Medicare, Medicaid, free education, the free to ride on Interstate HWY system and other Socialist programs. <<>> Did anyone notice that Justice Thomas is a member of the Ayn Rand fan club?? - He's quoted as saying he has read all her books and loves her work. <> Does this indicate he's an Atheist??? <> Supreme Court Judge Clarence Thomas, for example, reportedly requires his law clerks to watch the movie adaptation of The Fountainhead. <>

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Robert

8:29 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Ow that hurts going from soothing gracious goodbye to becoming a juvenile, wait , not really. The people graduating from Harvard have a great talent for making studies say exactly what the person paying for it wants.They should stick to what they are good at and that is not in govt. My ,as you say "bigoted prejudice and ignorance" comes from a life experience most Americans dont get. Ive worked for 4 different DoD organizations and 1 contractor in many many places mostly along the equator and none of them are the pleasant happy places you must have been. The Federal govt should do what its constitutionally allowed and that is not health care. Everyone seems to massage the part where it says "provide for the common defense" and "promote the general welfare", 2 completely different meanings. The Federal govt is so corrupt right now elected officials only want to buy votes. The thing the Fed is best at is killing people in strange far off lands that never makes the news, and you want them in total control of our health care? When I came home the 3 rd time my house was flooded with bills for over a year for MRI's, CT scans, appointments and prescriptions for injuries in combat . The govt cant even keep that stuff straight! I have so many stories of how the federal govt f#@*s things up I could write an 800 page book. Your rosy platitudes of a wonderful utopia does not exist and cannot exist,there are to many chefs in the kitchen.

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Lyle Ruble

9:37 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

@Robert....Your comment is a bit confusing. In the first place, Harvard is always ranked as one of the most prestigious universities in the world. The data that comes out is viewed with closer scrutiny than from most other institutions. I would love to see the data to challenge their studies on healthcare and the figure of 45,000 deaths each year. I did a blog a couple of months ago on the need for physicians using many sources. The evidence is clear that the U.S. healthcare system is a mess and not due to the federal government. You have to answer two questions: 1) why is healthcare over 17% of GDP?; and 2) why is defense spending approaching 20% of GDP?

As far as your DoD experience in equatorial nations and the impact it has had on your world view, that may precisely be your problem. First of all, I am assuming your being in those circumstances was by choice and not forced. Of course, it is possible that you were already in the military and didn't have a choice. Also, working as a contractor is clearly your choice. Just be advised that life experience can have a broadening of views, but on the other hand can narrow a view and one seeing the entire world through a dysfunctional lens. Are members of the Federal Government compromised and corrupt; absolutely. It is the billions flowing through lobbyists and Super PACs that is the corrupting influences. In short, what is confusing, are you supporting a corrupt system or not?

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Jay Sykes

10:08 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

@Bernard Forand... You said 'denying the answer to a system that could prolong their lives in greater quality, just for a bigoted prejudice of ignorance. Loss of our lives due to uneducated voters that has regressed our nation, to one of the lowest in the western civilized world, Lack of Health Care for our citizens in a Harvard study [2009] pegged the loss of life at 45,000 per year. When a simple check up would have saved them a tid bit of medicine at the right time.'

Just curious, is it 'lack of healthcare' or 'lack of health insurance' that the study attributed 45,000 lost lives per year.

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Bernard Forand

9:38 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Eugene Barufkin
10:54 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I have no fear about the Socialism issue because Justice Thomas is ready to get rid of the whole Socialist mess we have in America. Including Medicare, Medicaid, free education, the free to ride on Interstate HWY system and other Socialist programs. <<>> Did anyone notice that Justice Thomas is a member of the Ayn Rand fan club?? - He's quoted as saying he has read all her books and loves her work. <> Does this indicate he's an Atheist??? <> Supreme Court Judge Clarence Thomas, for example, reportedly requires his law clerks to watch the movie adaptation of The Fountainhead. <>

Eugene “I heard some people say“, “Scuttle butt on the streets” that three Supreme Justices are going to be replaced during the next up coming administration. What are you hearing? That would have profound affects for a few decades to come….

Jay Sykes

9:51 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Wow, does this comment string cover topics, yeesh. But, not too much on the stats of this poll or the MU poll done just prior to the primary.

According to a link posted here(see above) through one 'EILENE STEVENS' , the Rasmussen folks run bias 'right', and their results are +/- 6 %;the 'best' pollsters runs an actual MoE of 3.3% The calculated/expected MoE on the Thompson v Baldwin poll is 4.5%.

If we use the historical reported MoE(as indicated in the article linked by 'EILENE STEVENS'), and subtract it from the TT 11 point margin reported in this recent TT v TB poll, then TT beats TB by a +5 point margin.

The MU poll, done prior to the primary, indicated 48% TT to 43% TB or a +5 point margin favoring TT. Remember, the MU poll recently predicted the Walker recall vote percentages accurately,although they have had known 'right' bias in the past. The MU and Rasmussen polls show the same margin for TT, if one corrects for the known(reported) long term 'right bias' of Rasmussen.

As polls go, these two examples appear to give relativity constant results. Anyone aware of any polls that have Baldwin in the lead outside the margin of error (MoE)?

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Eugene Barufkin

10:50 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Do really want a senator who has skimmed more than two (2) million from Medicaid?
Records show that in 2007 – just before the largest economic recession since the Great Depression; Akin Gump began representing Bain Capital in lobbying for favorable securities and investment policy/legislation. Thompson and partners were paid $500,000 by Bain in 2007. In 2008, Akin Gump was paid $480,000 by Bain for financial lobbying efforts. The economy has crashed and jobs have been outsourced through the actions of firms like Bain; Thompson and his partners continue to reap the benefits.
read more -
http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/tommy-thompson-a-bain-capital-connection-with-much-to-hide-everything-to-lose/

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Bernard Forand

11:40 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ GearHead
"@Lyle: Doctors are already refusing.

Your comment is false. Obamacare creates a wider base of the insured. Greater the base less cost to premiums. Greater the preventive primary care will reduce Health Care loss. Simply put “Stitch in time saves nine”. …..The $ 716 Billion out of Medicare is by cutting the cost to medications.[ negations] it’s a savings as defined by the Congressional Budget Office {CBO}. Does not effect granny except for less cost to prescriptions.
Death panels was first coined for the panels that insurance companies had, to decided which medical procedure was less costly and which patients were expendable. {HMO’s} one example.
Nations that have incorporated Health Care have a greater quality of life and mortality rates lower per capita to USA. A local example of the cost effectiveness of a Health Care system here in the USA can be found in Mass. Their Health Care rose 6% after just 5 years of its introduction, versus the national average is at 7%. That is with limited base to one state. That 1% alone, accounts for savings in the Multibillions.
What sucks is republicans want to continue the failed systems of monopolized self governing health insurances. That they were the reason our ER’s were turned into primary care facilities and decreasing the base of paid insured. Raising the premiums to pay for the ER’s cost for primary use by uninsured. Town Hall meeting on this subject; http://youtu.be/T4Rwc6Gn0AM

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Eugene Barufkin

12:31 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Hey Bernie, watch who your calling Granny. I'm a 75 yr old Grandpa on Medicare and love it so much I feel everyone in America should be covered by it. It will have a net savings of about 15%. The 15% may be low when all the administration costs docs will save are added. Just think, docs will not have to fight with private ins cos to get paid. <<>>

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Eugene Barufkin

1:26 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Bernie you really need to get your facts correct and stop relying on empty rhetoric. -
Embarrassing facts Bernie, here -
A rpt in Forbes mag establishes some truth in the 716 billion Medicare cuts -
The threatened cuts in Medicare are the result of a formula (“SGI”) established during the Clinton years were designed to control the rate of growth in Medicare payments to physicians. <> The problem - Nobody anticipated that the number would go down. As a result of the decrease, and the understandable displeasure expressed by America’s doctors, Congress deferred the cuts until they added up to the 21% cut doctors now fear. <> Note - This number did not arise as a result of a stroke of Obama's pen as Obamacare detractors would have you believe. It was the constant deferral by Congress, "dating back to 2002", that has permitted the number to reach this point.
<>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2010/09/25/does-obamacare-really-cut-medicare-benefits-to-senior-citizens/

Bernard Forand

11:49 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@ Bren also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"Robert, perhaps I should write for Patch. Thank you for the idea! ; )"

Yeah; Roberts has a great idea. I second it. Go for it Bren

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The Anti-Alinsky

1:25 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Yes Bren, while I disagree with the substance of your posts, at least they are structured well enough to make sense.

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Bernard Forand

12:57 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

@ The Anti-Alinsky
1:25 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Yes Bren, while I disagree with the substance of your posts, at least they are structured well enough to make sense.

Thought of another way to explain your “increase to spending” and how it cannot be used as definitive means of establishing merits to expenditures.
Consider observing a vehicle that is in motion. You measure the time it took to get from point {A} to point {B}. Then you measure it as it reaches point {B} Then if vehicle accelerated you note acceleration only. With nothing to caompare acceleration to then that is all you have so, Next day do the same’ taking only acceleration as your interest. You are observing acceleration only. This also illuminates that merely observing accelerations from different days are not subject to addition. Other than to define increase or decrease in observed accelerations only can be deduced. That makes adding them together incorrect. Subtracting their differences would give you an ability to define average differences to acceleration. Example one day 10 mph acceleration. Second day 5 mph 5-10 =5 dived by 2 = 2.5 average difference to acceleration. Adding them =15 is of no value to the equation other than curiosity of relative associations. You don’t want to there. continued if you want to go there...

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Bernard Forand

1:07 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Anti his is the continuation to the vechile acceleration scenarios, If your interested in assigning values to the 15 that is derived from adding the numbers instead of subtracting. Not sure how these post will order themseleves. Read the vehicle one first and then decide if you wnt to read this one.It can produce some interesting results if you play with them long enough. Here is one I like to play with while waiting for something. Note our mathematics are of the base of ten! What if we made it 5 .. Hmm Then stuff like 25 X 25 =625 could be calculated by 5X5=25 now add one to 2 and X 2X3 =6 {625} This can be done on base 5. Now observe 25X26=650or 25x25=625 +25=650 [add 25 because you are one 25 away from neutral 25x25 going up from25 try it going down remember you are going down from neutral base of 25. Then change base to say 14 and or 16. Have fun. Helps to idle the time away.. Here is a simple one. Triangles have enterior angles that add to 180 degrees. Now make a triangle that has 270 degrees of enterior angles. Note all points of segement intersections must form 90 degrees.. You see it virtualy everyday... Have fun..

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The Anti-Alinsky

1:50 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Actually Bernie, I was just illustrating that I can understand Bren's one paragraph post than your 4 of 5, which typically consist of incoherent ramblings as you try to pass yourself off as intellectual.

I made my point on Barack Hussein Obama's increased spending, provided the facts and illustrated the point quite well. The fact that you refuse to accept it is not my problem!

Bernard Forand

12:01 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

@Robert also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"Ow that hurts going from soothing gracious goodbye to becoming a juvenile, wait , not really.

Interesting. Not as much as you, I to was subject to the whims of our DOD. I used it to converse with the locals especially the ones that were remote to the actions. Closer to the action and deeper their convictions.[ agriculture ideologies] I came away with a perspective that our republican party was directing us down the road to Imperialism. Sorta had a profound affect on me as I was a republican at the time. Examining Nixon’s tactics of invasion of Cambodia and Laos as well of the overthrow, in 1973, of a newly formed democracy in Chile. Exit strategy of 1975 under Ford that resulted in having our supporters while we were there butchered by Pol Pot; Reagan’s efforts in Angola with unlimited arms including the Sting missiles. Then his Iran Contra through Oliver North staging out of Costa Rica to Nicaragua . I’ll exclude Desert storm for there was justification for nations oil securities. Efficiently handled although only a partial solution achieved. By then, after many reading many books, yes including Utopia, Plato’s republic, Socrates, as well as modern Kant, John Lock, John Rawls, “The Essay’s” [Romans] etc. and countless science books. I came to the conclusion that republicans emulate a progression to Imperialistic evolution. Cotinue……

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Bernard Forand

12:03 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

from continue;...Utopia can not exist agree. That has been proven from the numerous anthropologies’ and economics studies. More inclined to the 50 shades of grey. Between to opposing factions. A change in my ideology was required. Here is a quote that I is similar to my reasoning to change parties; A quotation of Warren’s on Party change. Asked why she become a Democrat in 1996, Warren hesitated.
“I felt like the parties were moving and the conversation was moving,” she said. “I felt like I had stayed in the same place and the world had shifted around me.”
Corruption when examined on its definition has no boundaries. It is the responsibility of the of our moral intellect within ourselves and our leaders to address the corruptions. It is a “Moral Imperative” to seek the excellence in our humanities
Write a book. Good idea. I would like to be your first customer. I can relate to your frustrations as you examine the various inadequacies that surround us. As to that Juvenile thought I was assigning that to the ideology being presented not you as a person. Could have gotten it wrong. Kinda of new at this stuff of writing. I do mess up at times. Glad you brought it up so I can exam for better means of expressing that point.

Dave Koven

12:22 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Why won't Thompson release his tax returns to the public? Is he afraid to show how much he has enriched HIMSELF while he was in "public service"? Just asking...

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Eugene Barufkin

1:31 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Once again indisputable facts are the answer - Tommy skimmed about 2 million dollars from Medicaid that should have been used for care of people that need it. <>
Records show that in 2007 – just before the largest economic recession since the Great Depression; Akin Gump began representing Bain Capital in lobbying for favorable securities and investment policy/legislation. Thompson and partners were paid $500,000 by Bain in 2007. In 2008, Akin Gump was paid $480,000 by Bain for financial lobbying efforts. The economy has crashed and jobs have been outsourced through the actions of firms like Bain; Thompson and his partners continue to reap the benefits.
read more -
http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/tommy-thompson-a-bain-capital-connection-with-much-to-hide-everything-to-lose/

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The Anti-Alinsky

1:54 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Eugene, facts are typically " indisputable" when the source is unbiased.

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morninmist

2:31 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Why won’t Tommy Thompson release his tax returns? Because he’s a millionaire!

Why won’t former Wisconsin governor Tommy Thompson, the Republican nominee for the United States Senate, release any of his tax returns?

Because his tax returns would make it clear that the “Boy from Elroy” has become the “Millionair from the Beltway.”

In January, Thompson disclosed assets of at least $13 million in his Senate financial statement. He also disclosed more than $5 million in income since January 2010.

The disclosure statement also details income from various sources, including nearly $3.1 million from the sale of Logistics Health Inc. of La Crosse, where he served as chairman; speaking and directors’ fees; and payments from a Washington, D.C., law and lobbying firm.

In addition, the Journal Sentinel received tax information from the state Department of Revenue based on Thompson’s state return.
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The fact is, for all the criticisms that have been leveled at Eric Hovde because he was an out-of-state multimillionaire, Tommy Thompson is no better. Since leaving Wisconsin to go to Washington, D.C., Thompson has made millions upon millions of dollars as a lobbyist and D.C. insider, and the Tommy Thompson of 2012 bears little resemblance to “The Boy From Elroy” that served as Wisconsin’s governor for over a decade.

http://bloggingblue.com/2012/08/19/why-wont-tommy-thompson-release-his-tax-returns-because-hes-a-millionaire/

Bernard Forand

2:38 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

@ Robert also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
.They should stick to what they are good at and that is not in govt. The Federal govt should do what its constitutionally allowed and that is not health care. Everyone seems to massage the part where it says "provide for the common defense" and "promote the general welfare",

Almost forgot this statement you made. In areas that government have difficulty is when they address matters of virtues and or morality. That is to be expected. This democracy has within its boundaries various theological polices. At times they compliment each other and grounds for agreement may come to be realized. Other times theological polices of the various religions’ are not in agreement. Polarizing forces to an issue. Then the difficulties arise as to how to address the issue.
On the matter of Health Care we can address the solution through economics. More stable grounds to arrive to a decisive equation for a solution. Obama observing our decline in Health, as to our competitors’, with Health Nationalized Care , that were surpassing us. Remaining competitive, on the Liberal International Free Trade Markets we will need to reform our status quo on Health Care. ….. Page 1.......... continued…

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Bernard Forand

2:41 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Page 2.……. from continued page 1
Effective efficiency of Government in administrating on our social institutions’ has been measured to be 3% to 7% effective in administration cost. EX. S.S. Now adapt that to Health Care private insurance companies. They measure at 40 to 45% to cost of administration. Multi brick mortar and bureaucratic cost is a contributing factor to that higher cost for administration by the various independent insurance companies. Thus Roberts Supreme Court decision to merit Obamacare as legal may have had these numerical equations before them.
Now Obama can advance and evolve efficiencies’ to compete with our competitors’ on the world stage. One example; Computerize all medical institutions linked to each other via a professional WEB Network. Savings in legations enormous as would be
Misdiagnosis‘s, suppressed as doctors would have instant health records on the patient they are about to service. Whether they are conscious or not. Lives and cost savings again contributing to the reduction of Health Care cost. Increasing the base of insured reduces premiums. As for corruptions they would be more easily to discover. Similar to red flags of IRS. . Its not Utopia, and yet, far superior to the previous system of our Health Care systems.

Bernard Forand

3:34 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

@ Robert also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
Everyone seems to massage the part where it says "provide for the common defense" and "promote the general welfare", 2 completely different meanings. The Federal govt is so corrupt right now elected officials only want to buy votes. The thing the Fed is best at is killing people in strange far off lands that never makes the news, and you want them in total control of our health care?

So much compressed in your comment. Just caught this one. One reason they massage “ provide for the common defense” and “ promote the general welfare” has been implemented into our constitution from some political theorist. From Jeremy Bentham [1784-1832] on Utilitarian, John Locke [1632-1704] on the “two Treatises of Government” published 1690,Immanuel Kant [1724-1804] all along the way from several political theorist up to John Rawls that recently passed away in 2002. Some of our intellectual leaders observe where some these theorist over lapped in their theories and debated them as to which to incorporated. these two points you brought up, may have been debated as such; Common defense is required to promote security to the general welfare. Yes there are those that abuse the term defense, that get us tangled up in subversive actions and unjust-able wars.
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Bernard Forand

4:23 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Messed up again the following should have been attached here. It went out as an individual post. Oh well, little concern for all we do here will be dust before the sun bids us adieu, as it descends into the underworld .
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Eisenhower in his farewell speech warned us to beware of military industries complexes. Containments is all that is required for our nation.
Now observe republicans actions on these matters since 1970 to the present. Observe what they hold cherished. Military Industrialized complexes and the pursuit of a depleting oil supply that are amassed in foreign securities. Thus for our security we must defend our oil sources through out the world. Alternative energy is their nemesis. Which they oppose at every opportunity.
Einstein on signing the support petition for the Manhattan Project [A-Bomb], warned the world that now the responsibility of the welfare for our humanities resides in every human being t eliminate wars and conflicts or perish. When asked how he figured WW III would be fought. He replied he had no knowledge on that, “BUT” I can surmise how WW IV will be fought. With sticks and stones! Would be nice to know, where did Teddy put his big stick..
And I’m serious about that book if ever you get around to it. Think it would be very interesting.
Yes I do support Obamcare and the government. Its my USA through the good the bad and the ugly. I have a prejudice I call it patriotism.
Take care...

Bernard Forand

3:43 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Page 2.… from 1 continued
Eisenhower in his farewell speech warned us to beware of military industries complexes. Containments is all that is required for our nation.
Now observe republicans actions on these matters since 1970 to the present. Observe what they hold cherished. Military Industrialized complexes and the pursuit of a depleting oil supply that are amassed in foreign securities. Thus for our security we must defend our oil sources through out the world. Alternative energy is their nemesis. Which they oppose at every opportunity.
Einstein on signing the support petition for the Manhattan Project [A-Bomb], warned the world that now the responsibility of the welfare for our humanities resides in every human being t eliminate wars and conflicts or perish. When asked how he figured WW III would be fought. He replied he had no knowledge on that, “BUT” I can surmise how WW IV will be fought. With sticks and stones! Would be nice to know, where did Teddy put his big stick..
And I’m serious about that book if ever you get around to it. Think it would be very interesting.
Yes I do support Obamcare and the government. Its my USA through the good the bad and the ugly. I have a prejudice I call it patriotism.

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Robert

7:31 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Wow that was a nice read I'd have to say. I have either the curse of a simpler thought process or the ability to see through all the morass. The Bill of Rights is simplicity at its purest. No where does the Constitution say the Federal govt has the power over health care. Anything not specifically given to the Fed's is the States or the citizens purview. It was written that way and not in legalese so we could all understand it. Seems to me that everyone that claims to be a constitutional expert these days uses it like the Crusades used the Bible and terrorist use the Koran. I dont need an Ivy league stamp of approval to know what the meaning of the word is "is". Life isnt that complicated till a bunch of lawyers make it that way.

Bernard Forand

4:28 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

@ lolo peeg also commented on Tommy Thompson Earns GOP Nomination For U.S. Senate Race.
"Keith is trying to pretend that everyone who is unhappy with the direction our country is headed is just a racist. Let's ignore him now."

Keith is entitled to his opinion. I prefer my meals with a bit of spice. Just as you add flavor to the broth.

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Bernard Forand

4:48 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

@Eugene Barufkin also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"A rpt in Forbes mag establishes some truth in the 716 billion Medicare cuts - The threatened cuts in Medicare are the result of a formula (“SGI”) established during the Clinton years were designed to control the rate of growth in Medicare payments to physicians. <> The problem - Nobody anticipated that the number would go down. As a result of the decrease, and the understandable displeasure expressed by America’s doctors, Congress deferred the cuts until they added up to the 21% cut doctors now fear. <> Note - This number did not arise as a result of a stroke of Obama's pen as Obamacare detractors would have you believe. It was the constant deferral by Congress, "dating back to 2002", that has permitted the number to reach this point. <> http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2010/09/25/does-obamacare-really-cut-medicare-benefits-to-senior-citizens/";

Interesting; Rcikungar please? I’ll go with Congressional Budget Office (CBO)
http://www.cbo.gov/
Primary congressional agency charged with reviewing congressional budgets and other legislative initiatives with budgetary implications. They see it as savings due to increasing the efficiencies’ to services. Granny may very well end paying less for her needs.

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Bernard Forand

5:00 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

@ Eugene Barufkin also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"Once again indisputable facts are the answer - Tommy skimmed about 2 million dollars from Medicaid that should have been used for care of people that need it. <> Records show that in 2007 – just before the largest economic recession since the Great Depression; Akin Gump began representing Bain Capital in lobbying for favorable securities and investment policy/legislation. Thompson and partners were paid $500,000 by Bain in 2007. In 2008, Akin Gump was paid $480,000 by Bain for financial lobbying efforts. The economy has crashed and jobs have been outsourced through the actions of firms like Bain; Thompson and his partners continue to reap the benefits. read more - http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/tommy-thompson-a-bain-capital-connection-with-much-to-hide-everything-to-lose/";

You should be an investigating reporter. You do excellent work. I will stash this in files. Mine if I use some or all of it at times? Best to you for exposing Tommy is just another lamb to be corralled into the “Party First” of No, No, No leadership. Hostage/Ransom will be his cup of Tea. No leader here, move on, move on, move on….

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Bernard Forand

5:13 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Eugene Barufkin also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"Bernie you really need to get your facts correct and stop relying on empty rhetoric. - Embarrassing facts Bernie, here - A rpt in Forbes mag establishes some truth in the 716 billion Medicare cuts - The threatened cuts in Medicare are the result of a
Congress, "dating back to 2002", that has permitted the number to reach this point. <> http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2010/09/25/does-obamacare-really-cut-medicare-benefits-to-senior-citizens/";

Notice your report is from Forbes Rickungar 2010/09/25 Things in politics change very fast in the arena that is why for constant up dates I prefer the CBO reports and take that with a lick of salt. Consider Rick was in the thick of battle for Obamacare at the time and his sources may have been tainted. Would be interesting to see his views at present on the CBO report stating it’s a savings due to brining in Medicare fraud and service duplications. That they not see this coming is boulderdash.

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Bernard Forand

5:26 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

@ Eugene Barufkin also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"As I said above - Live and let live. <> In this case Bernie, there is no evidence you can give that will prove you will be harmed by Tammy's life style. <> Except for hate crimes you foster by your behavior, which your taxes are used to control. <<>>"

Where is this coming from? I’m for Tammy and don’t have any problems with her at ALL! Is there some one using my name to spew their vomit. It has happened before to me. Tracked the dude down and put an end to it. So by all means let me know. I had more respect for patch to think this would happen or allowed. Something is wrong somewhere. Tammy is the highest probability of having an actual reprehensive represent the constituents‘. Tommy is just another lamb that will have his representation denied by the “Party First” syndromes of the GOP. Now as to Tommy I have issues with his life style.

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Bernard Forand

6:09 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

@ Eugene Barufkin also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
<<>> Did anyone notice that Justice Thomas is a member of the Ayn Rand fan club?? - He's quoted as saying he has read all her books and loves her work. <> Does this indicate he's an Atheist??? <> Supreme Court Judge Clarence Thomas, for example, reportedly requires his law clerks to watch the movie adaptation of The Fountainhead. <>"

Eugene I have less problems with an Atheist than with religious individual. Not so much clutter to get around with an Atheist. Pretty much straight to the point. Non of this “I Believe” like that makes it a fact nonsense.
My concern is the Anarchist shadows that he throws. I wouldn’t be surprised if I went to his personal library and found the book; “Anarchism; Its Philosophy and ideal” by Prince Peter Kropotkin [1842-1922] . It would be right next to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon [1809-65] book of “What is property?” That “property is theft”

“NOT that there is anything wrong with that” But its how worn out they might be from his rereading them.
Heard three justice seats will be up for grabs in the next 4 years. You hear anything on that. Probably just gossip.

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Bernard Forand

6:36 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

@ Eugene Barufkin also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"Do really want a senator who has skimmed more than two (2) million from Medicaid? Records show that in 2007 – just before the largest economic recession since the Great Depression; Akin Gump began representing Bain Capital in lobbying for favorable securities and investment policy/legislation. Thompson and partners were paid $500,000 by Bain in 2007. In 2008, Akin Gump was paid $480,000 by Bain for financial lobbying efforts. The economy has crashed and jobs have been outsourced;.. read more - http://bdgrdemocracy.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/tommy-thompson-a-bain-capital-connection-with-much-to-hide-everything-to-lose/";

Eugene, Wisconsin for the most part are people brain frozen to the 50’s era, Style of life. They have no concept of what that was like but that’s what they want. They could start with No TV. For them. They will send as many sheep to the GOP’s corral as they can. It is the nature of the beast. “Party First” USA second. Tommy would be rounded up and fleeced. Pledge his allegiance to the Host of the party and recite what he is told, If he wants those nice cushy lobbyist jobs. AND the Wisconsin herd will below their usual moo, moo gee how could our reprehensive do that to us? {As the herd is nudged along to the slaughter house.} Next election they moo, moo the same thing all over again, as they nudged along closer and closer to the slaughter house..

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Bernard Forand

6:51 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

@ Jay Sykes also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
"@Gearhead... I'm expecting, in the not to distant future, that I will pay about $1000/year for coneriege or membership style care from my primary physician. He will cut back on his patient load by charging a membership fee and then accept the usual and customary payments from my insurance. Thus,he will generate the revenue to cover his costs and I'll get an appointment(service) when I need it."

Hey Jay it has already started. Doctors are opening the door to retainer scenarios. From quality care, to the common foot solider, to the Platinum VIP services. This allows the doctor to select his patients and the amount. Reducing the stress on the doctor and the patients. Appointments would actually mean something again. However to get this up and running, a solid consumer base is required. Fortunately! Obamacare is going to provide them with all the consumers they can handle. Yup, future with Health is a future indeed !

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Jay Sykes

10:16 am on Monday, August 20, 2012

@Bernard Forand... Please go back-up the string and re-read my comment within the context of the other posters.

You'll note that I expect, as an un-intended consequence of the ACA, the two tier system that exists now, those with & those with-out insurance, will simply be re-divided based on ones ability to pay a membership fee, as everyone will now have insurance. The ACA does not create more healthcare professionals(increase supply), so those with a financial disadvantage will continue to be at a healthcare disadvantage, until the supply of healthcare professionals is increased.

Bernard Forand

12:33 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

@ Jay Sykes also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts

Jay understood just do not agree. Ask any business, as consumer base increases opportunities increase. Apply that to the increase of insured consumers that Obamcare will produce. That lowers premiums, increase of consumers here. We remove the uninsured from ER primary care services, that are not being paid. Hospitals ER’s can go back to what they were designed for. Primary care migrates to private doctors and clinics. Opportunity for doctors to offer retainers for their services. Pay no retainer you go to their waiting room. Pay a retainer ahead of the line. Similar to lawyers. Amusement parks offer VIP ahead of the line passes for a fee. Matri ta des tipping helps to get ahead of the line, toll passes for a fee, fast lanes offer use of them even if you have no passengers for a fee, stuff like that.
Doctors than can regulate their time in ratio to their clientele. Creating surplus of consumers. We have had a reduction in graduating doctors, stress factors were getting to high for swamped facilities, that were not producing a profit enough to compensate for work required. Doctors were leaving the field for private but lack of insured or poorly insured consumers made that difficult, if not impossible. Obamacare comes along and breaks the cycle of a dissipating consumer base. Whole new ball game for the medical fields. Which will require more doctors. Their quality will determine their clientele.

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Bernard Forand

7:55 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Robert also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
“Seems to me that everyone that claims to be a constitutional expert these days uses it like the Crusades used the Bible and terrorist use the Koran. I dont need an Ivy league stamp of approval to know what the meaning of the word is "is". Life isnt that complicated till a bunch of lawyers make it that way."

Dear Robert; Your reading of the bill of rights is good. However that will not answerer your question as to how we get to Health Care laws being passed as well as other laws that have been modified from the original Articles of the constitution.
As you may have noticed this constitution is not religious theological text. It is more akin to the give and take on various political theorist. It incorporates elasticity to allow it to grow and to be modified.
What you are looking for is Article V of the original constitution. Then you can examine the Amendments that resulted from Article V.
Example; Bill of Rights is a component derived at through debates to be incorporated into our laws but no necessarily into the structural frame work of the constitution. Although when ratified such components will reside within one of the Articles of the amendment Articles. Not a professional in any respect to the law. Just another guy just like you’ You to can read the constitution. Simply Google it.
Take Care..

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Joe Gefesser

9:49 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

"In the face of calls to release his tax returns, and after a testy and rattled exchange with the Wisconsin press corps on the first day of the general elction, Tommy Thompson is trying to distract voters by clinging to a widely discredited pollster who used to work for George W. Bush," said Tammy Baldwin

Why the hell do Democrats have such a fixation on Tax Returns? Most polticians are wealthy, what does it matter how much they paid in taxes. It is their policies not thier wallets that matter. Obummer is wealthy and even more so now that he is spending our money like water and saving his own.

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Bernard Forand

11:19 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

@Joe Gefesser also commented on New Rasmussen Poll Puts Thompson Ahead of Baldwin.
""In the face of calls to release his tax returns, and after a testy and rattled exchange with the Wisconsin press corps on the first day of the general elction, Tommy Thompson is trying to distract voters by clinging to a widely discredited pollster who used to work for George W. Bush," said Tammy Baldwin Why the hell do Democrats have such a fixation on Tax Returns? Most polticians are wealthy, what does it matter how much they paid in taxes. It is their policies not thier wallets that matter. Obummer is wealthy and even more so now that he is spending our money like water and saving his own."

Bernie replies;
Another republican following Romney’s lead of not showing their credentials’ for the job. He will be with all of the other sheep corralled in the GOP’s “Party First” USA second herd. Signing his pledge of allegiance to the host of the party. Constituents’ are but mere stepping stones to his greed for wealth. Plus job; just obey the dictates of the host and nay, nay, nay his no, no, no leadership. Take USA Hostage and Ransom USA for what the Host desires. Main Street to get the ransom note….http://OFA.BO/iG451c Mitts record for outsourcing
http://youtu.be/EQwrB1vu74c Mitt flip flopping on a multitude of issues. How much will it take to get him and Tommy to dance to the Cronyism’s serene melodies?

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stella

11:29 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

what form of mental illness do you suffer from Mr Forand?

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