Do you know who is paying Franklin at Marquette to do these polls. I read somewhere that no one seems to know and that the MJS has not said who is paying for them.

I think it's Russ Feingold.

The DNC is paying for the polls. Wasserman-Schultz ......

I found my own answer:

.. A couple of years ago, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel carried a story in which George Lightourne boasted that Wisconsin Policy Research Institute (WPRI), headed by Lightbourne and funded by the right-wing Bradley Foundation, had formed a "partnership" with the UW-Madison political science Department. ..

" What we found was astounding. The contract provided that all work by UW Poli Sci and WPRI would not be subject to open records requests. In other words, the public should keep their noses out of the partnership. Other revelations included the agreement that WPRI had final say on almost everything, including when to poll, when to release polls, whether to release the polling data, the polling questions to be asked, and agreement that the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel would have exclusive access to polls about to be released.

......The key participants...

When WPRI found, to its dismay, that open records laws applied to its deal with UW, because the UW is a public institution and the public has a right to know what the UW is doing, that killed the partnership. Instead of fighting the decision, Goldstein and Franklin took leaves from UW Poli Sci while they proceeded to pursue their plans. Goldstein formed a company, and Franklin went to Marquette Law School to "provide unbiased polling results in a volatile political year like 2012."...more

http://www.fightingbob.com/weblog.cfm?postID=4387

OK, I read it too. Who's paying?

And somehow, polling done by PPP (Daily Kos), Celinda Lake / Lake Research Partners
(Greater Wisconsin Committee), etc are more accurate?!?!

Come on! As I seem to recall, the Marquette polls were the closest in regards to the results experienced in the primary election, except in significantly underestimating Republican/Walker supporter turnout!

It's looking good for Walker! If he beats Barrett by an even wider margin than in 2010 this time around, will all you recallers start apologizing? Or will you go right back into recall mode? Curious minds want to know!

morninmist, Bren, Schmitz, Polous, etc?

Hint.
Click on the link in the FightingBob story

Hershal Webster

3:07 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

OK, I read it too. Who's paying?

The Marquette University Law School puts on these polls.

Bren Mist -

This poll was spot on. Looks like it wasn't so skewed after all. Hope you are having a great post election day

~in solidarity
the silent majority

Alfred, Alfred, Alfred. If Walker wins America has a big problem on its hands.There is a serious effort to undermine our economy and weaken our Constitution solely for opportunities to reap more profit.

I hope that most Wisconsinites have had enough of Scott Walker in June.

mau, do you know what "skewed" means? The MU poll involves a higher number self-identified conservatives in the test group. The most recent poll is by a liberal organization and indicates a tie. What I do is average the results, giving us 50.5 v. 47 Barrett, within the 4 point margin of error.

Polls keep pol junkies amused. If I stand in front of Ferch's and ask people "Do you like ice cream?" I'm going to get "skewed" results.

Likewise, polling landlines tells a story. Haven't done the research, but a quick review of acquaintance who still have landlines skew older, low-tech, set in their ways. That suggests to me, based on recent studies, that a significant percentage is "conservative," backed up by my own personal review (about 50/50). So the "liberal" poll also may skew slightly to the "right." Hence the margin of error (the statistical equivalent of "I dunno.").

So the poll taken by a liberal organization is more acceptable to you than from a conservative organization? I have taken polls on occasion and I answered them with a bunch of crap. How can you get an accurate poll, television viewing or political, when you are polling such a small group.

So now you have somehow labeled me because I still have a landline? And what's wrong with being set in your ways, you are too.
"Haven't done the research, but a quick review of acquaintance who still have landlines skew older, low-tech, set in their ways."

Bren--You were right. The polls were wrong. They underestimated the Walker lansdslide.. Doesn't that make you feel better?

Mike you are seeing the true colors of the union goons/stooges/thugs who have ruled this state for far too long. This is who they are, they are scum, and they see that the gravy train has ended and they are acting like monsters. The light of truth has uncovered that these lazy union goobermint are bottom feeders who want something for nothing.

The civil war began when the senators ditched the state and left the capitol in the hands of the anarchists.

Alfred -- the young man 'suspects' voter fraud? Is Linden Grove a Laureate facility? Because my mother is at a Laureate Facility and that's how it kind of works. They have seminars on how to vote absentee, with help from staff as witnesses. The staff also doesn't make a judgement about who is fit to vote or not, based on some condescending idea of when you might be too old and senile. Voting is encouraged.

My explanation is that this young Neocon is looking for problems that may or may not exist and the Koch-sponsored Maciver Institute is helping him. They're both grasping at straws.

My only experience with absentee voting is with my mother, and there's no dishonesty involved. You and Craig are happy with treating voters like potential criminals, but I remember a time when this civic responsibility was actually encouraged.

Sorry, I don't call restructuring debt "balancing the budget" any more than I would call borrowed money in the till a "surplus." The budget shenanigans haven't changed since Walker was County Executive. His hidden tax increases, unnecessary expenses, haven't changed, only in scale. He left Milwaukee County with a $91,000/month Wackenhut contract because he illegally fired courthouse security staff (that little mistake cost the County over $1 million), and a $50+ million dollar deficit. How many people know Walker's CE and campaign offices were searched by investigators in November 2010?

What's great about our state and country is that laws are in place to protect the public from shenanigans (until special interests get them weakened).

@Bren -

Well then, seeing as how raising taxes isn't an option, I guess you're advocating for even deeper budget cuts and more layoffs of state workers, yes?

So, what exactly would you be cutting to pay off instead of restructuring the debt, and who would you be firing?

Better yet, how will your candidate, Tom Barrett handle the debt differently than Walker? You're voting for him, so you must know as a well-informed voter, right? Because I can't find his position on this issue anywhere. If you could link us to it, we'd all greatly appreciate it!

I hope some of those kids are smart enough to vote for Governor Walker.

Really, lol? MPS students? I suppose you could find a few who are over the age of 18. But how are these students registering to vote, because last time I checked, you still needed several forms of ID to register.

I think the average age of eighth graders in MPS is 22.

@Iolo
Seems to me going to the polls--learning the process of registering for the first time, the documents needed etc is an excellent civic lesson.

Nothing fraudulent about this process and you should be ashamed of yourself for even posting your silly post. You make the TeaRepublicans look stupid and desperate.

Randy:

Do they still allow people (with a valid ID) to 'vouch' for you if you don't have the proper ID for registration?

@morninmist -

Government employees should not be taking anyone to the polls on the taxpayer's time and dime! It's too prone to manipulation and corruption!

@CowDung -- From the following, I don't think someone can 'vouch' for your residence if you lack proper proof.

"Wisconsin voters must be registered to receive a ballot. Those who are not registered must provide acceptable proof of residence to register. While the state’s photo ID law has been enjoined by the courts, other provisions in Wisconsin Act 23 remain in force, expanding the residency requirement from 10 to 28 consecutive days and ending the practice of “vouching” for people registering to vote who do not have acceptable proof of residence."
http://gab.wi.gov/node/2372

wow Steve® is once again shocked that you could actually vouch for someone then vote. We need voter ID ASAP

Thanks Randy. I'm pleased to see that they had sense enough to keep that part of the law in force...

Steve did not read the entry. You can no longer have someone vouch for your residence in order to register. You can't vote without being registered.That means you will need proper current (with correct address) ID in order to register.

I call BS on lolo for implying that teachers were fraudulently taking MPS students to vote. The can't do that unless they're old enough and have the proper ID to register.

...but you do understand why we needed to reform the system, don't you?

Having no ID requirement, and allowing the 'vouching' system during registration means that lots of 'fake' voters can end up on the registered voter list and fraudulent votes could be cast under those registrations.

Cow Dung, I always said to tighten up the registration process rather than that of voting once you're registered.

The trouble is that unless we re-register everyone, we don't know how many phantom registrations are already on the books. Presenting an ID showing that the voter is the person he/she claims to be seems to be a reasonable requirement. Perhaps we can do the 'dip the thumb in ink' thing as an alternative to having an ID requirement...

Steve ® did read but Randy did not understand.

Steve ® was shocked that you could actually (at one time) vouch for someone.

Steve ® will state again Voter ID can not come soon enough

hovde over and out

►I always said to tighten up the registration process rather than that of voting once you're registered.◄

This does nothing, maybe cuts down some fraud 67 years from now. Admitting that we need tighter regulations on registering is an admission that there is a voter fraud issue.

Several forms of ID to register?
A Drivers licence or State Issued ID is all that is needed.

@Craig -- When registering to vote after a change of address you need to prove both your identity (age etc.) and that you live within the precinct in question. A driver's license with your old address (while the new one is being processed or if you haven't gotten to the DMV) you need proof of current address like a utility bill in your name. So, a married couple make a move, the husband can show a utility bill with his name on it, but he used to be able to vouch for his wife.

Randy you fail to ever mention the fraud and abuse that goes on with absentee voting. Either you are naive, stupid, or dishonest and you don't care about voting rules just as long as it benefits your side. Please read this and offer your explanation
http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2012/05/vote-fraud-uncovered-at-nursing-home/

The DMV can easily change your address, and it is required by law to have that change made to the licence in order to have the privelege to drive.
One can also have utility bills in both husband and wife's names.
Come on Randy, it's like crying over spilled milk that was sour anyway.
Voter ID should be required despite the small issues you have with the elderly.

Sounds like the Democratic Party has taken a lesson from the phoney candidate book that the Republicans put out.

@randy -- I agree, the only ones over 18 would be the ones that were not promoted, so don't expect much from their brains.....

@mornin -- I think my original post was accurate. The names of the 2 teachers involved was demanded but of course MPS withheld this crucial information.

Given what we know about Herr Kief and his tendency to not pay back loans, I hope you didn't spend that $50 already.

LOL; Alfred is right on the money.
No pun intended.

Ditto Brainiac. Even better is the lefty morons that think replacing Walker will do anything, Barrett will not be able to wave his magical wand and restore collective bargaining or reverse any of the other Walker reforms.

@Lyle -

Compromise already exists - doesn't Walker using a cash balanced budget prove this? Or what about the mining bill? Even Act 10 didn't pass in its original form. How much more 'compromise' do you want exactly?

The Liberals like Rube has overplayed their hand, the election will be a case study in how the recall has made Scott Walker more popular. Rube and his kind won't know what hit them.

@Greg...As far as collective bargaining goes, it will have to wait for another time, unless there are parts that are overturned by the courts. If the time comes to reverse collective bargaining, then they better go for a constitutional amendment.

I think Barrett understood from the "get go", unlike Falk, that reversing collective bargaining was D.O.A.. If Barrett were to win, then he will have to jump on the budget and balance the approach by increasing revenues in order to restore some of the programs that the Republicans short changed. However, if Barrett has a Republican controlled Assembly, he will face the same problem that Walker faces with a Democratic controlled Senate.

@JRH...I'm not convinced we do have a cash balanced budget. Too many questions for me and the creative accounting.

Compromise, my Aunt Fannie, unless you count compromise as a steamroller allowing you to stand up or lay down while it runs you over.

Yep, Barrett will do NOTHING and blame it on Governor Walker.

@Lyle Ruble... Sez... 'If anyone understands polls and polling, then they are worth pretty much nothing.' [[[ Isn't that how we got into this recall mess to begin with, not understanding the polls? Think we'll understand them this go-round? 'I can't believe how politically naive most people are',Sez Lyle.]]] ;-)

@Lyle - I agree with you that collective bargaining is dead in the near future because even if Barrett wins and the dems are able to win the senate, they still will have a huge minority in the assembly. The assembly will not roll over on this issue. What is funny though, is that Barrett knows this, as do most of the other democrats with any intelligence. They have avoided this issue like the plague because they know it doesn't poll well. However, in the last couple of days, Barrett has gone out of his way to make statements like the "first thing I will do is call a special session of the legislature to address the bargaining issues" This just shows how desperate the guy is becoming. He is trying to bring this up again as an issue to gain a few more points in the polls or convince a few angry unionista's to vote for him. What he will end up doing is actually lose more votes on this issue than he will gain.

Here Here!

@Alfred...I'm not a Democrat and you know it. I am a social democrat.

No, you are a Statist/Marxist who votes for Democrats.

The back and forth between you two cracks Hoffa up!

I like turtles

@Alfred...Oh I forgot, you don't know the difference. What happened, didn't they cover the difference in your gubmit edumication?

I prefer Lyle, the social democrat, to some of the anti-social democrats who inhabit the same burg.

Rube is a Statist/Marxist, a failed business owner and a slow/no payer of his financial obligations.

...which is why the focus will now be back on the John Doe investigation full time.

Have statistics for all the states been released and verified? How does Wisconsin compare to the rest of the country in job growth by percentage? That's the important thing.

So, will Politifact change it's ratings on the so-called 'truth meter' accordingly for both Barrett and Walker regarding the jobs numbers?

Actually, I think the important part at this point in time Randy is that Walker's figures were correct, and Barrett was claiming they weren't.

Don't you guys ever get dizzy from all the spinning?

@McBride -- I think you'll see me making the same point last week -- that it's not whether the state lost or gained jobs, it's how our percentages compared to the rest of the country when it comes to judging the success of Scott Walker's 'reforms'. And I'd still like to see the comparison.

When Scott Walker took over as Governor of Wisconsin, he faced a $3 billion budget shortfall. By reining in collective bargaining, requiring public employees to make modest contributions to their health insurance and pensions and imposing spending limits, Walker was able to balance the budget. This is a fact and cannot be refuted.

And I'll reiterate, the important thing at this point in time (key phrase there) is that Barrett was claiming Walker's numbers were incorrect, and they're not. Attempting to frame the issue differently (regardless of what you, personally, may or may not have said) is, in fact, an attempt to spin it so as to avoid the obvious fact that Barrett blew it. Which is significant, given that his whole campaign is based on complaints about Walker, rather than offering anything of substance as a counter to what Walker's done.

Seriously, if anyone only understood how the data is collected, there would have been no doubt how this story would turn out.

So where's the link to the figures for all fifty states so we can compare and see if it's 'really' working?

@Randy... Wisconsin was dead last(50th) based in the original 'statistical data' if we are now 49th, based on actual data, does that meet the definition of 'it's working'?

As expected, instead of admitting that their man LIED about Walker "cooking the books" on the jobs numbers, they just attempt to spin even more!

If you have any integrity or character at all, then call your man out for LYING to us!

@Randy - I don't know. I will look for it when I get a chance. CNN just mentioned the issue on-air and said that Wisconsin is in the middle of the ranking of states, but unlike many of the others that are doing better, we have no mining or oil drilling and did not borrow our way to growth.

Wonder how the Ed and maddow show types are going to spin this they were running this hard for months. Wait just saw Randy read their talking points already. I'm sure Bren will chime in with some more spin. Maybe the twitter feed can hashtag me some fresh propaganda about Walker killing a baby seal.

All to change the subject away from their lies and Walker's successes.

@Alfred...You need to verify your statement that restricting collective bargaining closed the cash budget gap. The savings only amounted to less than 10% of the $3.6 billion. The whole collective bargaining issue was nothing more than a Trojan Horse to divert the public's attention away from the massive cuts made to the state education budget.

Starting great the whole process by claiming the state was broke was his first piece of the great misinformation campaign. He used the perception of a budgetary crisis to sell his plan. What everyone seems to forget is that the state didn't have so much a spending problem, but a revenue problem. He imposed an unneeded austerity program on a certain portion of the state setting the groundwork to reward his campaign contributors with tax breaks and decreased enforcement of state statutes. You need to dig deeper and look to the true motivation for Walker's tyrannical takeover.

"The whole collective bargaining issue was nothing more than a Trojan Horse to divert the public's attention away from the massive cuts made to the state education budget."

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And which side made the biggest deal out of the collective bargaining issue, Lyle? I seem to recall that the left focused on virtually nothing but that right out of gates. If it distracted from other issues you feel were more important, you need to focus your criticism on your own side of the political fence.

@Lyle - I think your comment that restricting collective bargaining was only a trojan horse to hide massive cuts to schools is ridiculous. These collective bargaining restrictions in most cases offset the cut's in funding to local schools. So on a state basis, yes, maybe these only made up a small portion of the 3.6 budget deficit. On a local level, they made a huge impact.

Lyle already has his mind made up and no amount of facts will change it. You could post facts and documentation all day and he won't buy it. Best not to play chess with monkeys, Lyle simply enjoys looking at himself in the mirror as he opines.

The curtailment of collective bargaining for most public unions in addition to state workers was a strategy to disguise the way Gov. Walker balanced the budget -- by cutting state aid to municipalities. My state income tax wasn't cut one iota. Let's at least be honest about that.

The emphasis on collective bargaining had the unfortunate effect of blaming public workers for the state's fiscal crisis, when in fact it was the economy -- layoffs and declining wages putting a dent in state income and sales taxes.
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Are you guys trotting this strategy out for a test drive to see if it'll be useful in the event Walker wins the recall election?

Here, I'll give you a hand....

"The recall forced upon this state by the actions of Scott Walker was part of a strategy devised by the Republicans (under the sway of the Koch Bros, ALEC and Beelzebub) to create a sense of urgency and a united front against the scapegoated 99%, useful to their corporatist puppet masters in their attempt to make Obama a one term president."

Again, props to the strategists on the Walker team! They are working hard to confuse the issues and cast doubt. This might work with certain people, but those who have been directly impacted by Walker's "reforms" will stand firm. For folks like me, I know that the ever-increasing density of billowing gas clouds means the fire/target is near. If the Walker re-election was a sure thing, the billionaires wouldn't be spending so much money.

It's quite clear that the out-of-state brain trust doesn't understand the people of our state. The strategy to bus Illini to the state to support Walker shows ignorance of our friendly rivalry with the Flatland. The attack ad that goes after Barrett for "child abuse" on his watch shows ignorance of how Barrett was injured trying to break up a physical attack. And how the sad state of the Milwaukee County mental health complex was top news in the MJS for months. Not quite as good as last year's Fox video of the Madison protests, replete with palm trees! But pretty good.

"The attack ad that goes after Barrett for "child abuse" on his watch shows ignorance of how Barrett was injured trying to break up a physical attack."

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Bren, you're collapsing on yourself a bit early here, aren't you? We've got 5 or 6 days left 'til election day. There's still a possibility someone will lean on Chisholm hard enough to get him to at least intimate that charges may be coming down the pike. Have a little faith in your own side's ability to pull out all the stops in its quest for the Mother of all Mulligans.

Really? That "right-wing bias" gave Obama a double-digit lead in the very same poll.

You don't really read the data do you? The poll has an advantage for Obama and over sampled democrats. Yet walker still is on top 7 points.

That poll was pretty damn close to the truth.

If they're part of an ongoing investigation, how's he supposed to do that, RP?

@Racine - The GAB recommends that officials get legal council whenever an employee is under investigation. That is all that has ever been discussed by both the GAB and Scott Walker.

In addition, Tom Barrett is asking people to break the law by revealing information involving the John Doe. Perhaps he will have the police change how they record the illegal activity that he wants done so as to make it look better than it is.

Changing the subject. Can't talk about anything that Walker has done while gov. because it worked too damn well!

Go ask your guy, he seemed to know what the DA was going to do in advance.

No need to go there - really.

Barrett's plan:

http://www.this-page-intentionally-left-blank.org/

@Luke -

You actually managed to find Barrett's plan - excellent work!

Here is a transcript from BArrett's performance today with The Weekly Standard.

TWS: On collective bargaining, mayor, the governor and his campaign have pointed to a number of... schools across the state that heave benefited from the reforms in Act 10. Which school districts have been hurt in particular, in your view, by Walker's policies and his reforms? Are there any that stand out in your mind?
BARRETT: Well, I support the restoration of collective bargaining rights. And that's what this is all about--whether you support workers' rights. And I support workers' rights.

TWS: But are there any school districts in particular, though, that have been hurt by Act 10?

BARRETT: I have talked to prison guards, I can tell you that, who are concerned about their own public safety because of the changes in the law, and I'm very concerned about that as well

TWS: But no school districts—

BARRETT: We can do an analysis and get back to you on that.

I think Barrett has completely lost it. He looked kooky in the debate, but now he can't even answer the correct question.

@Todd

Yeah, we were laughing about that article today. There is another about 8 articles earlier that asks Barrett for his plan for jobs, with the same results. Funny.

Hmm... Barrett's stuck regurgitating the same old talking points, hey? Usually when the talking points become stale, Tate and Zielinski just make up some new ones. I guess they must be on vacation this week.... or maybe Tom just didn't get the memo yet.

In the meantime, maybe Barrett can try some old talking points just to conjure up some shock value. That one from Zielinski about Walker helping to pay for the criminal defense of a man accused of "boy rape" was a doozy! Earned Zielinski a pants on fire rating over on Politifact, after all. Would definitely fit in nice with Barrett's strategy of targeting the low information, non-thinking voter and would be consistent with his other made up allegations like "cooking the books" on the jobs numbers.

I just hope someone wipes the egg off Barrett's face before the debate tomorrow night!

Hey Stormy
Whow. Indoctrination?? you say.

Canvassing is a civic lesson in the grand political process. You ASSsume that students will be canvassing for the Democrats?

I for one am glad schools are teaching students the political process.

Barrett for Governor 2014 ?

If you were 'smarter than that', you'd realize that the governor hasn't put new jobs for Wisconsin residents last. Wisconsin games thousands of jobs last year...

Is there some blog that says go make comments on boards that are flat out lies or are you just one of those Hoffa branded low informed voters?

This has been a test, only a test.... In the case of an actual emergency, you would have been informed where to tune in your area for actual information..... this has been a test only a test....

Reduced income tax collections is not indicative of job loss. If overtime is reduced by 3%- you will get a 4% reduction in income tax collections. These numbers do not point to anything. Spin doctors can make this a non issue or a critical issue depending on what message they want to send. Bonus checks were lower last year for many people, how would that affect the tax collections?

What source are you using to support your 'down 4%' claim? Tax revenues are actually up to the point where the state is projecting a surplus...

@b.
Thanks for the article. It is very well written. I think his last sentence is key and sums it up beautifully--and accurately.

"The hardest part for any professional poll, especially a brand-new poll, to determine is likely voters. That is almost impossibly difficult in the current recall because there has never been a comparable election in Wisconsin.

So believe those disclaimers describing the poll differences between the candidates as "statistically insignificant."

That's why Democrats are eagerly targeting 400,000 Wisconsinites who voted in President Obama's landslide 2008 victory, but didn't vote in the 2010 off-year election. Internal polling shows Barrett leads 57% to 37% among those voters.

Polls won't decide the recall. Determined voters will do that on June 5."

(continued)
Taxes: The city is faced with a declining tax base. Therefore, to maintain a level of service consistent with the demands of the constituency, taxes must be increased. Also, the city is in competition with surrounding communities that are more attractive because they have fewer problems. The surrounding communities are growing their tax base at the expense of the city losing its residences and businesses. Therefore, city services are at risk and taxes are raised to support the increased costs of providing such services.
MPS: The Mayor of Milwaukee has absolutely no direct involvement with MPS. Several years ago Mayor Barrett wanted to take over the school district but prevented from doing so by the state.

Much of the dust kicked up by the Walker Campaign is without substance, but is being used to divert attention away from the issues raised against the governor.

And that issue would be Collective Bargaining, correct?

Lyle Rube, "I am not a Democrat" yet I am the best Barrett apologist on the block. Face it old man, this panty waist milquetoast of a mayor has owned Milwaukee for 8 years, and you can't place any blame on him? You make him out to be useless, a gelding with no power, yet you blame Walker for all of the sins of society for his brief 18 months in office.
Rube you have no shame, you cannot think critically, you are either dumb or a crook. My money is on both.

1. Barrett took credit for the drop in violent crime, as indicated by the bogus numbers.
2. Barrett attacked Marvin Pratt for not correcting the MMSD problems when Pratt was in office for only 60 days.
3. The same things you said about Milwakee and unemployment, could be said about Wisconsin and unemployment, so it's Obama's fault. Yet Barrett was the one that wanted jobs to be the issue for recall.

@Lyle.... The entire 'sewer overflow' problem is in the purview of Mayor Barrett the Village of Shorewood. In 1977 when the plan to eliminate the overflows was drawn up, plan 'A' was for Milwaukee and Shorewood to replace all of their combined sewers with separated sewers, Plan 'B' was the deep tunnel project. Plan 'B' was chosen because it spread the cost over all 28 MMSD member communities. It is important to know that each community owns its own sewer system and MMDSD provides the interceptor sewer and processing. Now that plan 'B' has failed, as the flows from Milwaukee and Shorewood, during rain events, are overwhelming the system, it's time to go back to plan 'A', separated sewers for Milwaukee and Shorewood.

@Alfred...I'm not apologizing for Barrett, but just trying to keep it real. The difference between Walker and all previous governors is his extreme actions. With your support of him, I'm sure you would have supported Adolf Hitler.

Thanks for the ad hominem attack for the day. Your continued attacks show how ill prepared you are to argue points on their merit only.

@Lyle -

Then, the fact that Barrett is a LIAR is an issue, as the cornerstones of his campaign for Mayor were express promises to 1) lower crime, 2) fix MMSD, 3) bring employment to the area, 4) and fix MPS.

So, if what you're telling us now is that Barrett never had any official power to do anything about these issues, then he was deliberately LYING to voters just to get the job. Barrett's broken promises are most definitely a fair target for Walker and his supporters to attack.

Once again, proof that Barrett is preying upon the low information, un-thinking voter!

Lyle, What exactly is Barrett responsible for, in Milwaukee?

Speaking of "rubes," your name calling is declassé, Alfred.

As County Executive from 2002 to 2010, Scott Walker would have the greater responsibility for Milwaukee's ills, wouldn't you say? Tom Barrett has done a great job as mayor, given the issues that every large U.S. metropolitan area faces--poverty, white collar flight, etc.

Walker left Milwaukee County with an investigator-searched County Executive's office, a redevelopment nightmare in the Park East corridor, rate hikes, and a $50 million deficit. Barrett has placed great focus on workforce development and illegal gun removal from the city (really, who needs an automatic weapon or a grenade launcher in town?), and has overseen the urban transformations of Bay View and the Menomonee Valley. Barrett understands the issues. Since his personality type doesn't lend itself to self-congratulation, you might hear less about what he's doing. But Milwaukee has a staunch champion in Tom Barrett and they will vote for him in June.

Mr Lyle Rube, must I educate you on all subjects? Being an apologist does not mean 'apologizing' , I am curious that you don't know the meaning of this term with you extensive credentials.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apologist
a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.

You are welcome, sir.

Yep, still a big NOTHING. But it might give Barrett something to talk about in the debate tonight. He really has nothing else.

Walker's oink oink's will be squealing to protect themselves. After all, they do not have a freebie defense fund and the boss said he would grant no pardons.

oink oink is a coming........stay tuned @Greg.

One Wisconsin Now ‏@onewisconsinnow

13 & counting ... ANOTHER top #WalkerFailure aide granted immunity in #WalkerGate criminal investigation http://goo.gl/LLy9f

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Greg

2:53 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Yep, still a big NOTHING. But it might give Barrett something to talk about in the debate tonight. He really has nothing else.

Like I told you before, hold your breath. We have been hearing this same BS for 2 years now.

Greg:

I don't believe that your claim that the 'Republicans will be the first to squeal when the services are cut to balance a budget'. Are you basing that on anything in particular?

So your alternative would be to give all of our money to the government? Spending for the sake of spending? Getting little value for dollars spent?
I already pay to have my garbage picked-up.

"you can't have everything that you want: you can't have all the services unless you eliminate something or expect to pay more for it." Praise the Lord. This goes for you leftists as well!

Gov. Scott Walker’s administration says the job-growth numbers he made public earlier than normal have been verified by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.Wisconsin Department of Workforce Developmentspokesman John Dipko told The Associated Press on Wednesday, May 30th that the BLS has confirmed Wisconsin jobs grew by 23,608 in 2011....

@Greg
That is the problem Greg. I and many others no longer trust Walker nor his administration to tell the truth to the citizens of WI.

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Greg

3:31 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Gov. Scott Walker’s administration says t....

BTW Greg
there is a difference between the words numbers and methods. Read the article at the link.

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Greg

3:31 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Gov. Scott Walker’s administration says the job-growth numbers he made public earlier than normal have been verified by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.Wisconsin Department of Workforce Developmentspokesman John Dipko told The Associated Press on Wednesday, May 30th that the BLS has confirmed Wisconsin jobs grew by 23,608 in 2011....

It seems that Greg actually gets his information from actual news sources instead of Lefty blog sites...

http://chippewa.com/news/state-and-regional/walker-says-feds-confirm-higher-state-job-numbers/article_b9f0e91e-ab1e-11e1-8ef0-0019bb2963f4.html

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/155825675.html

Hey Cow
You and Greg are into old news. Keep up with today's news.

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By SCOTT BAUER | Associated Press | Posted: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 am |

MADISON — Republican Gov. Scott Walker’s administration said Wednesday............

Read more: http://chippewa.com/news/state-and-regional/walker-says-feds-confirm-higher-state-job-numbers/article_b9f0e91e-ab1e-11e1-8ef0-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz1wU0ESrrD

Old news? The date on the article is 'Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 am'.

What, lefty blog sites aren't legitimate news sources? But Rachel Maddow cites them as being fact all the time…

Recall all non-lefty blog news sites!!

@Cow

Try reading the first sentence of that real news article. Read slowly --and you just might catch on.

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CowDung

3:59 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Old news? The date on the article is 'Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 am'.

"MADISON — Republican Gov. Scott Walker’s administration said Wednesday that the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics has finalized higher job numbers for Wisconsin for 2011, which would blunt one of his opponents’ biggest arguments against him just six days before he stands for recall."

Still nothing old about that news. As of today, the BLS has verified the 2011 jobs numbers that Walker released two weeks ago.

@morninmist -

Direct quote from the article you last link to:

"Walker’s Department of Workforce Development provided an email to The Associated Press on Wednesday from the bureau’s staff that shows it gave final approval to the numbers."

We've all come to figure that your reading comprehension was poor, but come on man - provided an email to the AP from the BLS that shows it gave final approval to the NUMBERS.

Case closed!

...the BLS has confirmed Wisconsin jobs grew by 23,608 in 2011.

@Cow
See my note below

morninmist

9:03 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Lyle Rube is becoming unhinged, as are most of his kind as the end is near. Mr. Rube has been on the public dole for so long he rationalizes his entitlement. Pop some popcorn, it's going to get better as Tuesday approaches. These lunatic lefties are going postal.

That is a bit uncharacteristic for you Lyle. Maybe Alfred brings out the worst in you...

No Cow, Alfred brings out the true Lyle, just as you are seeing the union goons in the light of truth. This is who these people are.

Whereas Alfred is the true Alfred from the very first.

It is still growing!

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steelekelly Headlines that could be game-changers in a dead heat, 5 days out: "Walker's office stonewalled DA inquiry, record shows" #wiunion #wirecall

j ‏@Jack2John

Document appears to cast doubt on some of @Govwalker's claims about his role in launching & cooperating with the probe. http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/walkers-office-stonewalled-da-inquiry-record-shows-t65kbql-156065645.html

Another headline that makes Walker's nose grow longer:

http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politics/wisconsin-politics/1427-feds-did-not-confirm-walker-s-job-numbers-bls-clarification.html

Feds Did Not Confirm Walker's Job Numbers – BLS Clarification

Created on Thursday, 31 May 2012 17:30

Madison -- Yesterday, Scott Walker and the Department of Workforce Development attempted to pull the wool over the eyes of Wisconsinites with their claim that the Bureau of Labor Statistics confirmed his fictitious claim of creating jobs in Wisconsin. The AP Reported:

Walker's Department of Workforce Development provided an email to The Associated Press on Wednesday from the bureau's staff that shows it gave final approval to the numbers. The email did not say what number the bureau approved, but Workforce Development spokesman John Dipko said it was 23,608, which would be dramatically better job creation in the state than figures based on a different survey of businesses.

Politiscoop contacted the BLS today for verification of the claim. It turns out to be one of Walker's biggest lies to date. In a conversation with a BLS representative, we found that the state of Wisconsin submitted a new formula in regard to jobs created or lost in the state. The example we were given was as follows:....

@morninmist -

Once again, lefty blog bs proves absolutely nothing. All accounts from reputable media outlets state that Walker provided the AP with a copy of an email from the BLS stating that they have confirmed his NUMBERS. If the lefty blog is correct, why not just produce a scan of the email from the BLS that was given to the AP by Walker? Or do you guys want us to believe that Walker is fabricating phony emails from the BLS, as I know how you guys love conspiracy theories?!?!

Just because you and left don't want to accept the reality of the situation, this is what is called a FACT. Spin away, but the only people you're fooling are the low information, non-thinking voters such as yourself.

And Barrett's claim during the debate tonight that even if Walker's number are correct, that it would still make us the poorest performing state in the Midwest is also blatantly FALSE. Last I checked, Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska are all states in the Midwest and they didn't have the kind of job numbers that Walker is touting, did they? And far as the other Midwestern states go, they far outnumber Wisconsin in terms of population. Me thinks your boy Barrett forgot to perform a per capita analysis of the raw numbers before the debate.

If Barrett's strategy of coming off like a little hot headed junk yard dog barking at Walker, then he's truly trying to appeal to lowest level of voter, isn't he?

Go on and on with what exactly?

The same old party line propaganda, rhetoric, and talking points that we've all already heard a million times?

I find it telling that Walker actually had to travel around and raise money, while the dumbocrats just sat there and poured the money in. I want a final count of the money spent since Feb 2011 in the effort to defaet Walker, and don't forget the value of unlimited free pizzas for demonstrators and free fake doctor excuses .......

@Greg -- I hate to say anything about physical attributes, but the difference between Barrett and Walker is striking. Scott Walker doesn't look intelligent. He doesn't sound intelligent -- his sloppy diction makes me wince. The most important thing is his performance in the debate. All he's got is platitudes and that 'nice-guy' businessman's grin that has gotten him through life until now. There comes a point when it's not enough. I think he's already illustrated the Peter Principle. Let's not let him do it any more.

Backwards Barrett has negative accomplishments, Walker has positive accomplishments.

His record since gaining office is all you need to examine to understand where his values and motivation lie. IE;
Mr. Walker used "a credit card" approach to balance the WI state budget that "pushed over $500 million in debt onto our children and our grandchildren" costing state taxpayers "more than $150 million in interest."
Mr. Walker makes invalid ascertions. The new figures he released showing Wisconsin job gains for 2011 as "the final job numbers" are not verified.
Mr. Walker approved reducing two tax credits that help the poor and elderly.
Mr. Walker claimed to balance the state budget but he did not. New projections show a shortfall.
Mr. Walker cut aid to local schools despite campaigning on trying to restore two-thirds state funding for education.
Mr. Walker enacted "the biggest cuts to education in our state’s history."
Mr. Walker proposed a law so businesses that move into Wisconsin "don't have to pay any taxes" on their income for two years.
Mr. Walker makes sensational, inaccurate, blatantly wrong claims like Wisconsin is broke," and "state government is $3 billion in debt."
Mr. Walker's truths are sometimes the opposite like "Under our (2011-’13) budget, the average (Wisconsin) property taxpayer will save $700."
The facts are the facts.

@Randy Your comments illustrate why your side failed. You underestimated your adversary. In spite of his alleged inadequacies, he got 1.3 million plus votes, and 60 of 72 counties.

These "talking points" are unverifiable. You know the talking points but where is the actual evidence?