Hasn't happened as of 8.35pm... ; )

@bren... did you even watch? a moron used car salesman smiling while not letting the other person speak......

I Disagree, and by the way @Mike IN OC your a total moron. romney did the same thing but he won? Ryan dodged every question and refused to tell the american people how he and romney plan to do anything, anyone who thinks romney won the last debate is stupid also. All romney did was smirk and laugh, but joe does it and it's wrong?? ha ha ha your very uneducated and misinformed. Biden won the night.

Consensus amongst the polls and focus groups is a draw at best, with most polls slightly favoring Ryan as the winner by about four points!

ROMNEY/RYAN/THOMPSON to victory on November 6th!!!

Uncle Joe said they weren't asked for more security at the embassy? The congressional hearing yesterday already proved that it was requested but denied. So let me get this straight, he says he has bad intellegence on the embassy issue but is 100% confidendent the same intellegence will tell him when Iraq has a nuke? Another epic cover-up by the administration that will just fade away.

Mike in OC I watched and enjoyed the entire debate. I didn't see morons or used car salesmen--perhaps you were watching something else on cable? ; )

I was very concerned about the format of the first debate, which placed the moderator far from the action, so to "speak." It was easy for both candidates (mostly Mitt) to steamroll the moderator. Last night's moderator didn't give an inch, I felt.

Here's the question. When outright fabrications are being laid down in front of millions of people, what should one do? Obama "lost" the first debate because he was presidential and a gentleman.

Personally I think lying is more offensive than interrupting. I would prefer a lie to be interrupted, no matter what side is presenting the falsehood. We the People deserve not to have our time wasted on b.s. And a lot of what Ryan was laying down was b.s., particularly in the areas of the economy and foreign policy. I felt Ryan's bringing up the traffic accident story was a cheap, crass attempt to unsettle an opponent who has experienced tremendous personal loss in this manner.

@Bren -

Are you sure you were watching the same debate?

What did Ryan lie about exactly?

Biden was the one who was clearly lying his rear end off! He voted in favor of both wars, and not against them as he claimed last night! And he's continuing to lie about Libya! Biden also lied about how Ryan was being given more time by the moderator than him, when in reality, Biden was given over 2 minutes of additional time over Ryan, not including his laughs, interruptions, talk overs, cackles, etc. Biden also continued to double down on Obama's lies about Romney's tax plan.

The moderator was slightly biased in favor of Biden - even the Washington Post admits to this!

But continue to live in fantasy land - you always do!

Biden looks like a crazy man.

Why is he laughing? Because of the amount of b.s. coming out of Ryan's mouth. It's hilarious.

the bs is what you type on a daily basis

Bren wrote: "Why is he laughing? Because of the amount of b.s. coming out of Ryan's mouth. It's hilarious."

Biden is trying to ridicule Ryan's message through facial expressions, the same way Bren is trying to do with her postings.

And why not, ridicule worked well for the Nazi's!

Mike in OC, my b.s. is well researched. ; )

Anti, the Nazis, really? Ryan set the tone by throwing down b.s. This was a vice presidential debate, not a playground argument. Romney and Ryan have both shown disrespect to the offices they seek, and offended our intelligence, in my view.

H.E., do you have better intelligence data to present? Let's have it, then.

@Bren -

It's funny how Biden admitted that the Obama/Biden administration has an intelligence community that made up a story about protests occurring over the YouTube video at the Libyan consulate (which never really happened) before the terrorist attack that killed four Americans, but then trusts that very same intelligence community when it comes to how close Iran is to getting a nuke! Probably the same intelligence community that said that Saddam had WMDs, right? When Bush relied on that intelligence to go into Iraq, it was a conspiracy and all his doing and fault, and yet, when Obama/Biden rely on faulty intelligence, it's someone else's fault?!?!

That's just INCREDIBLE!!!

And if they know that they have an intelligence community that makes up stories of events that never really happened, then shouldn't they be questioning the accuracy of all their intelligence? There's obviously a very big problem here, but instead of pro-actively trying to fix it, they're hiding behind an investigation?!?!

COME ON!!! This is CYA politics at its worst and the fact that neither Clinton, Obama, or Biden will accept personal responsibility as the top people in their respective chains of command just laments the failure of leadership that we've seen from this administration.

It's time to stop pointing the finger and passing the buck - it's time to accept personal responsibility and elect real leadership!

ROMNEY/RYAN/THOMPSON 2012!!!

Bren - "H.E., do you have better intelligence data to present? Let's have it, then."

Um, and our Comrade Obama apparently has even less intelligence data - just lies, obfuscation, and a very polite media.

Obama has gobs of blood dripping from his hands.

Regardless of your shallow liberal bent, if you think it is okay for our leader to lie, misrepresent and keep the truth about Libya from it's citizens, then you really need to reevaluate your ethics, morals and values. Slither out of the slime you reside and figure this out. People lost their lives, the bodies came back from Libya and Obama flew off to Vegas.

According to the voter dials, Biden’s coming off like an absolute jackass.

The "moderator" invited Obama to her wedding........ I would like to add more ........

I agree! Young voters got a close up view of what an arrogant, bully looks like on national TV. Martha looked way out of her league at moderating this event, or else it was on purpose to give a career politician extra time to make his points because of his long term experience. No wonder the Obama team calls it their win. Ryan showed manners and patience, but he should have demanded equal time to respond to questions or to Biden's remarks which would have proven Vice-Pres. Biden to be even more obnoxius looking, if, or when he continued his effective rough-shod techniques after being called on it.

So then you had a problem with Romney last week? He did the same thing.

So let's get this straight. It's OK when a Republican does it but not when a Democrat does it?

Bill Maher is calling Ryan "child." That's about right. He's being eaten alive by an opponent who is more experienced, better informed.

lmao.... citing bill maher

Remember one thing. Bren considers herself an independent. Lol

@Bren -

ABC, CNBC, and CNN insta-polls show that Ryan won the debate by at least a four point margin or greater. Consensus amongst undecided focus groups was a draw at best, if not slightly favoring Ryan over Biden.

Hoffa trusts the assessment of the people over Bill Maher's biased opinion!

No Hoffa. The one poll I saw - the CBS poll -- showed Biden the overwhelming winner.

@Schmitzy -

CBS was the only instapoll that showed Biden winning - it is clearly the outlier in the bunch!

Perhaps you should worry about paying your debts instead of who won debates - time for Keithy to grow up and take some personal responsibility for his actions in life!

Pay Hoffa his fifty ($50) before Hoffa has to call in his debt collection guys from Detroit!

Time to call an exorcist. Bren's been possessed by morninmist.

@Bob McBride Bren will be fine once properly medicated!

@McBride -

Yep! ;-)

Independents cite occupy wall street. To quote your hero Biden lol

good

How independent of you. .................. Is the joke over yet?

spreading lies arent you darlene

Hardly Bren. Just because he interrupted Ryan every time he tried to make a point doesn't make him the winner... just an A$$.

joe biden reminds me of an old chris larson

Bren
9:36 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Biden won this one, hands down.

****************

Only if you think winning over the undecideds can be done by engaging in inappropriate laughter in the middle of a discussion of a nuclear armed Iran. Or going after the moderator as Joe did.

Actually, it was pretty much of a draw. Ryan looked a bit nervous, Biden looked a bit insane. I'm guessing the former is a bit less off-putting to those who use these things to evaluate the candidate.

@Bren -

What planet are you living on? It was a draw at best.

ABC, CNBC, and CNN insta-polls all show Ryan winning by at least a four point margin or greater.

By the way, Paul Ryan is the GOP VP nominee, not Rand Paul, as you've erroneously asserted.

By referring to Ryan as 'Rand,' you're as disrespectful as Biden was tonight - no wonder you were so attracted to Biden's performance in this debate, as you're both disrespectful of the other side and don't take them seriously!

This is exactly what Ryan was talking about - the Dems refuse to work together on bi-partisan solutions, instead forcing a my-way-or-the-highway approach to governing.

As to the moderation, it was slightly biased in Biden's favor. Lehrer did a much better job of staying in the background and remaining neutral.

His last name is Ryan

I have a lot of words to hold back from your liberal ass. Thank yo u for participating to the socialism demise.

Bren - 82 interruptions by the smug and besmirching Biden. If you think the number of interruptions is winning then, you won!

@Bren -

Interesting how the great independent that you claim to be would be following the twitter feeds of such extreme lefty liberals as the ones you posted above!

Bren = extreme lefty liberal in denial!

@Hoffa -
I was catching up on my reading and saw you comment that said "By referring to Ryan as 'Rand,' you're as disrespectful as Biden was tonight - no wonder you were so attracted to Biden's performance in this debate, as you're both disrespectful of the other side and don't take them seriously!"

With that statement were you trying to be ironic or are you unaware of your own hypocracy? Simply by reading comments on Patch, JQP has determined that Hoffa is totally dismissive and disrespectful of the other side.

@John Q. Public -

If you read the full past interactions, then you'll see that with serious and respectful liberals, such a Lyle Ruble, Randy 1949, etc., Hoffa is usually very respectful in return and a decent conversation can take place. It's only in response to nonsense, such as calling Paul Ryan 'Rand,' that Hoffa responds in kind.

@Hoffa -
JQP thinks that Hoffa's irony meter needs calibration.
Deep down, even Hoffa has to admit that, given Paul Ryan's proven interest in Ayn Rand's works, it was a clever "dis".

She had no controll what-so-ever! It was painfully obvious what side she is on, and who she invited to her wedding.
Despite that, it did not affect anyone undecided.

Unless you are on the Obama camp why on earth would you make this comment. ......l. I'll add more ............

HEADLINE Ryan spars with HYHENA and wins

"If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet." - Proverbs 29:9 ESV

100% of their political ads are Obama. You decide

Hey Nutrsweet, so you had a problem with Romney's performance last week?

At least Biden continually referred to Eddie as "his friend." Romney was on a caffeinated high.

They don't vote for the Vice President. I vote for the ones that invite the chosen few to their wedding.

Craig -

I did the same thing...

@billmaher
Hello 9 1 1? There is an old man beating a child on my TV
11 Oct 12

@AWD...So you're also a Glen Beck listener?

Lyle - you cannot come here and condone 82 interruptions by Biden. Even you should have a hard time swallowing the many, many interruptions. How disrespectful of Biden. Is the strategy to laugh, smirk a be smug?

Right on AWD - USA, USA, USA!!!

ROMNEY/RYAN/THOMPSON 2012!!!

Ryan lied his ass off last night, and whatever ass he had left, Biden handed it to him.

Best part about Ryan is he smokes out his supporters. Explain how Ryan has not been a taker all his professional career?

Ryan as president? He doesn't give a damn about this country, unless you are in the 1%. You neanderthals who whine and cry about Obama blaming Bush, let's see how much you'd like Bush's policies when R and R returns us to W's disasters, especially those in the working and middle classes who are voting against their self interest because of their aching yen to get the black man out of the White House.

The same stupidity that enabled the southern aristocracy to march off to war with legions of fools who supported their right to own human property.

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-slips-vice-presidents-debate-023354584--election.html

@Schmitzy -

Should you really be accusing someone else of LYING??? You've proven yourself to be the habitual LIAR around here!

Where's Hoffa's fifty ($50)???

And race baiting yet again??? You've also proven yourself to be the biggest racist around here, as if importing a white candidate so that you guys in the Wood wouldn't have to deal with an African American representative in the state Assembly wasn't bad enough!!!

Shame on you Keith Schmitz - what would your mother say?!?!

Losing, not loosing.

It's probably better you stick to describing the loop of surrealist lefty logic that plays repeatedly in that oversized noggin of yours. When you attempt to bring your expert analysis to something where there's actual footage that can be referred to for comparison, you fail.

You, of all people, should know that these debates are geared towards the mushy middle. If you think having Joe Biden in split screen laughing during a discussion of nukes in Iran or barking at the moderator as he did at one point made Ryan "look like a little wuss" and, therefore, scored points with folks in the middle, you obviously don't know too many folks in the middle.

@keith... the interruptions were biden's only way to try and distract ryan's message. we see it all the time at speeches where protesters try and out shout what speakers are trying to say. just another tactic from little boys like you who don't have any or tricks in your bag.

Thanks Bob.

Mike, what was the difference between Mitt interrupting and Biden doing it, except Mitt lied his ass off.

Ryan better be happy that Joe distracted from Eddie's message. Imagine if people got Paul Ryan's message?

My friends on the right seem to think that if they do it, it's fine. When we do it, hits a hideous sin.

Biden stopped the drop for the Democrats. People say they want their politicians to be aggressive. Biden was aggressive.

So if he sat there and took it like The President did last week , then there would be the noise that he was passive.

So what is it?

Keith - by your writing, you are in the shallow end of the gene pool. If you think Biden followed Romney's plan, slither back to your bar stool and stare down your bottle of comfort.

Keith,

You mention that it is okay for one and not the other and that it is always the right that should be allowed when the left is not. I have to call you on this one. Personally I don't care what Joe did or did not do last night. I am more interested in your actual statement. The right lost an election for the Governeor's race when Doyle was elected. Was their an outcry to have him recalled, for no reason other than we, as conservatives, did not like it? No, there wasn't. Flash forward to 2010 and tell me what happened. You can try to make an argument that Walker did something wrong but it doesn't hold water. Walker layed out his plan, in detail, about how he was going to get this state back in positive numbers and he did it. When the left did not like the legislation that was coming across their desks in Madison what did they do? They left their jobs and ran to Illinois. The liberals act like little kids every time they don't get their way. So now is your chance to get angry, call me a Neo-Nazi or member of the KKK because you have nothing to defend this other than yelling and name calling.

Keith, Biden - just like Obama - went out there and did what he was told to do. If Biden had actually been the Biden of old, rather than taking on the personality of a cornered aging pit bull, he could have made Ryan look extremely amateurish by comparison.

Biden's objective was to bring back some semblance of an administration that sounds like they know what they're doing. He did that in spots and had he stuck to that rather than overdoing the laughing, head shaking and eye-rolling, that might be the overall theme of his performance.

Ryan's objective was to seem knowledgable, demonstrate his much touted expertise on issues in a fashion that wasn't overly wonkish and to not scare the bejesus out of people. He did okay on the first count, no so good on the second and, thanks to Biden's over-the-top performance, the third wasn't even really a concern. If anything, a bit of timidity, albeit unintentional, probably worked in his favor given the way the left has been painting him and insinuating that he would be the hard-right driving force behind a Romney administration.

It was a draw. Neither participant lived up to the promises of their respective parties or the negative spin of their opposition. It was a VP debate and, frankly, had Obama not hosed his first Presidential one so badly it wouldn't have taken on the "importance" it did and you guys wouldn't be spinning it as some great victory for Biden.

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-slips-vice-presidents-debate-023354584--election.html

I have to smile at the irony -- President Obama 'lost' his debate by not being assertive enough, waiting politely for his turn, looking down when Romney was talking, etc. The Obama/Biden team learns the lesson and now Biden is castigated for being rude.

I would have called the debate a tie, with Biden having the slight advantage. I swear, Ryan was floundering a few times.

I think it was a bit of overcompensation on Biden's part. He seemed to have crossed the line from 'aggressive/assertive' to 'angry/mean' on several occasions...

@Schmitzy -

Biden did what Biden does best - make Biden look like an ass!

Where's Hoffa's fifty ($50), you "little wuss" that can't seem to man up to the wagers you make?!?!

Remember - Detroit is just a phone call away!

Ryan - CLASS
Biden - ASS

@Ima Hippee -

Short, accurate, to the point - Hoffa likes it!

Losing, not loosing.

Jay, while correct, I think this was the last time a VP debate legitimately served that purpose...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKpX-5jQjQ0

VOTE RIGHT, VOTE WHITE

You trust the so-called 'fact-checkers' to give it to you straight?

Keep on drinking the kool-aide instead of thinking for yourself!

Proof once again that the Dems are targeting the low-information, non-thinking voter!

The fact that the fact-checkers don't seem to agree should be an indication that perhaps they aren't getting it right...

@Hoffa and @CowDung -
Perhaps the two of you should outline exactly where the "so-called 'fact-checkers'" went astray. JQP would be interested to get your take on it and I hazard to guess that other readers would appreciate being enlightened as well. I look forward to your analysis.

Do they win a trophy or plaque or free pizza for a year?

ABC, CNN, and CNBC polls all show Ryan winning. CBS is the only outlier showing Biden as the winner.

Just like a blue-fister to erroneously believe that they are in the majority, when in fact, they are clearly in the minority, as will be definitely proven on November 6th!

ROMNEY/RYAN/THOMPSON 2012!!!